Tim Duncan looking totally washed up in first round playoff series vs Grizzlies

[Hotshoot]

Debatable at best

Why is that? Hakeem and Duncan playoff stats are very identical (Duncan has edge in rebounds and Hakeem has edge in PPG/Blks). Duncan has been far better clutch performer than Hakeem was and the 4 titles over 2, so i would go with Duncan.

[Samurai Swoosh]

well, you can add an asterisk to all their titles

05 - wade got injured in the playoffs
03 - dirk got injured in the wcf. webber also went down in the wcsf so they would've probably faced the kings

Nah ..injuries are part of the game. You have to deal with them.

Shortened NBA seasons, and screw ball calls that can decide the out come of a series ala 2007 v.s. Phoenix are a horse of a different color.

[KenneBell]

He said he was going to play until the wheels fell off. Duncan's running on 3 tires right now with one threatening to break off.

If there's a lockout, I can't see him returning.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Why is that? Hakeem and Duncan playoff stats are very identical (Duncan has edge in rebounds and Hakeem has edge in PPG/Blks). Duncan has been far better clutch performer than Hakeem was and the 4 titles over 2, so i would go with Duncan.

Because it's just debatable.

Hakeem was every bit as good, if not better.

Who was Hakeem's 2nd best player with his first championship team? Otis Thorpe? Vernon Maxwell? Kenny Smith?

Duncan, an all-time great no doubt, has been consistently surrounded with very good talent at every position virtually his entire career.

In my mind, I don't think Duncan is even superior to Garnett, honestly.

He wasn't a superior clutch player ... and it's very debatable. Hakeem was flat out dominant and played against much stiffer competiton at the position.

Duncan basically played Center and since the end of the 90's the competition at that position has gotten decidingly worse every single season.

[creepingdeath]

What does Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan have to do with the topic? Jordan's shameful exit from the league had to do with sitting the bench for the Barons instead of competing for championships but that didn't happen in the playoffs.

A topic by you has everything to do with the black mamba.

[thomaspynchon]

I guess you missed the series two seasons ago where he had 2 points in Game 4 where Dirk and the boys demolished the spurs 4-1

[Zackmorris]

We putting asterisks next to championships now?

[t-rex]

its always sad to see, but it happens to everyone.

Father time is undefeated.

My last images of the great Larry Bird are of him laying on his stomach near the bench area nursing a bad back and sore elbow.

I honestly believe part of the reason why Kareem Abdul Jabbar is so often underrated in GOAT discussions, is because an entire generation of people only know of him as the bald headed, goggled man who averaged 13pts per game ON MAGIC JOHNSON'S LAKERS LOL!

One day father time will get us too.

Tim Duncan has had a HOF career. But like every other great player or person who ever has, or will walk the planet, his time has come.

[imlmf]

can't call them a dynasty, never able to defend their titles

[jlauber]

We putting asterisks next to championships now?

If that is the case...you can probably put one on almost every champion. You will find an opponent with an injured player; or a year in which the toughest opponent was upset by another team, which gave the eventual champ a smoother ride to their crown; or an opponent that just BLEW a couple of games, etc., etc.

IF we are going to do that, then I nominate the '68 Sixers and the '84 Lakers as the true champions.

[Samurai Swoosh]

IF we are going to do that, then I nominate the '68 Sixers and the '84 Lakers as the true champions.

Bulls beat the best competition every single year they won the championship.

[Hondo]

Time to rip up your horrendous contract and go to Miami or Boston for the minimum.

[t-rex]

Is it my turn yet to start another Tim Duncan thread?

[jlauber]

Time to rip up your horrendous contract and go to Miami or Boston for the minimum.

LOL! Great post.

Is it my turn yet to start another Tim Duncan thread?

As long as you only RIP him. Let's all kick him while he is down.

[Hotshoot]

Because it's just debatable.

Hakeem was every bit as good, if not better.

Who was Hakeem's 2nd best player with his first championship team? Otis Thorpe? Vernon Maxwell? Kenny Smith?

Duncan, an all-time great no doubt, has been consistently surrounded with very good talent at every position virtually his entire career.

In my mind, I don't think Duncan is even superior to Garnett, honestly.

He wasn't a superior clutch player ... and it's very debatable. Hakeem was flat out dominant and played against much stiffer competiton at the position.

Duncan basically played Center and since the end of the 90's the competition at that position has gotten decidingly worse every single season.

Rockets 93-94 had very good depth (duncan didn't have a good no 2 player either). I would give Admiral a slight edge over Thorpe but Rockets lineup with Maxwell, Kenny, Cassell etc was better than what Spurs had.

Yes Hakeem went up against better big men but the guards are far bigger now and these days bigs can get into foul trouble very easily.