Dirk Is Great, But Lets Take It Easy

[Go Getter]

Its not just Mavs fans. Pretty much every basketball historian that knows anything would rank Dirk in the top 20 now.

I've never seen stockton in the top 20 on any list before.

1. I disagree.
2. You haven't seen many lists then...isn't Stockton tops in steals and assists?

Dirk is a 47% career shooting PF who averages about 7-8 rebounds a game. Not taking away from his greatness but he is not the type of PF that every basketball historian fawns over, ESPECIALLY since he is not an adroit defender.

[DMAVS41]

Yea, seriously, Stockton pushed the Bulls to 6 games twice in the finals. Dirk went out to the Warriors in the first round. The truth lies in the middle.

And stockton somehow only made 2 finals playing with a top 20 player of all time for his entire career nearly.

Not titles. No MVP.

Dirk played pretty much his entire career not having a top 20 player in the league on his team. Stockton had a top 5 player in the league pretty much every year that happened to be one of the best players ever.

[DMAVS41]

1. I disagree.
2. You haven't seen many lists then...isn't Stockton tops in steals and assists?

Dirk is a 47% career shooting PF who averages about 7-8 rebounds a game. Not taking away from his greatness but he is not the type of PF that every basketball historian fawns over, ESPECIALLY since he is not an adroit defender.

Why would you post regular season stats?

Dirk's regular season success is as elite as it gets. Do you really want to talk about regular season?

Why not post Dirk's 26/10/3 career playoff averages. LOL...Dirk is one of the best defensive rebounders in playoff history.

Stockton could never lead a team to a title as the lone star...hell, he couldn't even win anything with an all time great at his side.

[DMAVS41]

If Dirk's career lined up with MJ's, Magic's, Bird's, KAJ, Hakeem, etc he would most likely be ringless as well.

Not if he played with one of them.

Dirk just beat Lebron and Wade on the same freaking team. And went through Kobe as well.

LOL......

[DMAVS41]

Are there any objective measures that favor stockton?

Regular success? Dirk
Playoff success? Dirk
Regular season numbers? Dirk
Playoff numbers? Dirk

Advanced stats? Dirk

All the BS honors and accolades? Dirk


What objective measures favor Stockton?

[Bring-Your-Js]

DMAVS, why don't you think Dirk has a real shot at getting his 2nd MVP next season? It would do wonders.

[DMAVS41]

1. I disagree.
2. You haven't seen many lists then...isn't Stockton tops in steals and assists?

Dirk is a 47% career shooting PF who averages about 7-8 rebounds a game. Not taking away from his greatness but he is not the type of PF that every basketball historian fawns over, ESPECIALLY since he is not an adroit defender.

Find me a list with stockton in the top 20 all time.

[DMAVS41]

DMAVS, why don't you think Dirk has a real shot at getting his 2nd MVP next season? It would do wonders.

Because he is going to only play around 32 or so minutes a game and I think Durant and Howard will be almost impossible to beat.

Looking back, Dirk probably should have won it this year. Forget what happened in the playoffs, 57 wins with 23/7/3 on 52/39/89 efficiency while losing your 2nd best player and not having an elite 2nd star. Team went 2-7 without him....and another couple losses because he came back early because the team was spiraling downwards.

The Mavs would have likely won 62 or more games.

[Go Getter]

Why would you post regular season stats?

Dirk's regular season success is as elite as it gets. Do you really want to talk about regular season?

Why not post Dirk's 26/10/3 career playoff averages. LOL...Dirk is one of the best defensive rebounders in playoff history.

Stockton could never lead a team to a title as the lone star...hell, he couldn't even win anything with an all time great at his side.

Jason Terry hit more threes and made more clutch plays than Dirk with a better defender on him....don't act like Dirk did it by himself.

Stockton lost twice to Michael Jeffrey Jordan and the Bulls.

If you think the Mavs would have beaten the Bulls you are flipping crazy.

Having 10 rebounds a game does not make you one of the best playoff rebounders in history--please. Dirk is not one of the greatest playoff rebounders by any means.

And 47% SHOOTING and 7 rebounds a game at 7 feet tall is not elite no matter how you spin it man.

[DMAVS41]

Jason Terry hit more threes and made more clutch plays than Dirk with a better defender on him....don't act like Dirk did it by himself.

Stockton lost twice to Michael Jeffrey Jordan and the Bulls.

If you think the Mavs would have beaten the Bulls you are flipping crazy.

Having 10 rebounds a game does not make you one of the best playoff rebounders in history--please. Dirk is not one of the greatest playoff rebounders by any means.

And 47% SHOOTING and 7 rebounds a game at 7 feet tall is not elite no matter how you spin it man.

What?

Dirk just beat Kobe, Lebron, and Wade.....with a much worse 2nd option than Stockton ever had.

Did I say the Mavs would have beat the Bulls? No, but if you gave Dirk a player equal to prime Karl Malone....they'd have a good chance.

And again, Stockton only made 2 finals. Whats the excuse all those other years? He only faced Jordan twice. That excuse doesn't fly.

Somehow Dirk, playing in the era of Kobe/Shaq and Duncan, managed to make 2 finals with less help....and won a title.

LOL

Again.

What objective measures favor Stockton?
Where is this list with Stockton in the top 20?

[Go Getter]

Are there any objective measures that favor stockton?

Regular success? Dirk
Playoff success? Dirk
Regular season numbers? Dirk
Playoff numbers? Dirk

Advanced stats? Dirk

All the BS honors and accolades? Dirk


What objective measures favor Stockton?

-.515% shooting as a guard (for his career)
-NBA all-time leader in assists and steals.
-solid contributor on offense AND defense
-5 of the top 6 best assist seasons ever
-missed only 22 games in his career
-one of the smartest ball players ever
-flopped without looking like a yssup (j/k)

[Bring-Your-Js]

Because he is going to only play around 32 or so minutes a game and I think Durant and Howard will be almost impossible to beat.

Looking back, Dirk probably should have won it this year. Forget what happened in the playoffs, 57 wins with 23/7/3 on 52/39/89efficiency while losing your 2nd best player and not having an elite 2nd star. Team went 2-7 without him....and another couple losses because he came back early because the team was spiraling downwards.

The Mavs would have likely won 62 or more games.

[DMAVS41]

http://nbalegacy.blogspot.com/2011/0...june-2011.html


From Simmons on Dirk:

Dirk Nowitzki: He's already propelled himself into the top 20 and a permanent "Barkley, Malone or Nowitzki?" discussion; he's erased any lingering scars from the 2006 Finals and 2007 Playoffs; and he's clinched "one of the best clutch scorers of his generation" status. But if he wins the title with a bunch of role players? That nudges him up a level; now we'd have to discuss him with Julius Erving, Bob Pettit, John Havlicek, and maybe even Tim Duncan as one of the Greatest Forwards Ever Not Named Larry Bird. However it plays out, he's already the biggest winner from this series. You can't say enough about Dirk Nowitzki.

[Go Getter]

What?

Dirk just beat Kobe, Lebron, and Wade.....with a much worse 2nd option than Stockton ever had.

Did I say the Mavs would have beat the Bulls? No, but if you gave Dirk a player equal to prime Karl Malone....they'd have a good chance.

And again, Stockton only made 2 finals. Whats the excuse all those other years? He only faced Jordan twice. That excuse doesn't fly.

Somehow Dirk, playing in the era of Kobe/Shaq and Duncan, managed to make 2 finals with less help....and won a title.

LOL

Again.

What objective measures favor Stockton?
Where is this list with Stockton in the top 20?

They defeated a washed up Lakers team and a Heat team that is more dysfunctional than a reality TV family.

Do you understand how much better Stockton's league was?

Do you realize that if Dirk had to endure real playoff fouls and a league that allowed a little physical play that his game would suffer immensely as a finesse player?

[R.I.P.]

Having 10 rebounds a game does not make you one of the best playoff rebounders in history--please. Dirk is not one of the greatest playoff rebounders by any means.

No only makes you 29th all-time and puts you into some shitty company.

21. Hakeem Olajuwon 11.18 --> not elite rebounder.
23. Kevin Garnett 11.14 --> not elite rebounder.
26. Karl Malone 10.68 --> not elite rebounder.
27. David Robinson 10.58 --> not elite rebounder.
28. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 10.48 --> not elite rebounder.
29. Dirk Nowitzki 10.40 --> please
30. Patrick Ewing 10.30 --> not elite rebounder.
39. Dennis Rodman 9.92 --> shite a scrub.