So what if the players threaten to start their own franchise?

[97 bulls]

So unrealistic. All 300+ players teaming together to make there own league! Do LeBron James and Kobe Bryant decide the teams?
the players can delegate who makes these decision just like they do team captains and unnion reps.
What about a guy like Nick Collision? What role does he play in this new league? Does he decide the contracts?. Do they vote on who's the new commish?. Do 1-2 players get this rolling? or is it combined effort. Is the role you play determined by your bank roll and or ability?.
why would a player like nick colison hold anything up? If he could make waves like that he would've already

They can get payed. By going to Europe and other places. Established leagues.
most players don't want to go overseas and leave the united states.

If there was some kinda league to replace the NBA it wouldn't be started by the players .there have been many leagues that have been started. So that's obviously not hard. The problem is they don't have the name recognition. And the main thing is the lack of their games being nationally telivised due to not having the names peole would be interested in watching

Obviously this isn't gonna happen right now. But I would venture to guess that in 10 years, the owners are gonna try to make the players make more concessions. And get to the point that emancipating from the league would be viable.

[97 bulls]

Why don't they do it? Can you give me an answer?


I answer it for yourself, one thing is to play around with your money, other thing is to play around with somebody else money.

I don't think its ever been needed. But I think it will be an option to explore within the next 2 CBAs.

As far as whose money would be used to bankroll this kind of effort. They could use the same avenues as the owners. The home cities (taxes), tv revenues, licenses. And companies would invest cuz its a sure thing. In the scenario im presenting, if 80% of the players in the nba were for it, it would work. And more than likely, the other 20 would follow. Then the nba owners would be finished.

I just think the players need to be dictating how much the owners get. Not the other way around

[miller-time]

I don't think its ever been needed. But I think it will be an option to explore within the next 2 CBAs.

As far as whose money would be used to bankroll this kind of effort. They could use the same avenues as the owners. The home cities (taxes), tv revenues, licenses. And companies would invest cuz its a sure thing. In the scenario im presenting, if 80% of the players in the nba were for it, it would work. And more than likely, the other 20 would follow. Then the nba owners would be finished.

I just think the players need to be dictating how much the owners get. Not the other way around

it isn't really though is it.

the nba has been establishing itself as an international brand for the past 50 or so years, and got its biggest boost during the jordan era. a bunch of basketball players getting together wouldn't be able to replicate that for at least 10 to 20 years. at least. it is far from a sure thing. the whole thing would likely collapse within 5 to 10 years.

second of all, most if not all nba owners don't need the nba. you don't buy an nba team to become a multi-million or billionare, you buy a team after your have already become one. if the players owned the league, then their source of income is also their investment. if the league went bust the players are all finished. it is so incredibly risky that it borders on the ridiculous.

[97 bulls]

it isn't really though is it.

the nba has been establishing itself as an international brand for the past 50 or so years, and got its biggest boost during the jordan era. a bunch of basketball players getting together wouldn't be able to replicate that for at least 10 to 20 years. at least. it is far from a sure thing. the whole thing would likely collapse within 5 to 10 years.
The michael jordan era ended in 98. The league has flourished since then. In fact, I think it was that last lockout that hurt the league to the point that it was so bad in the early 00s. And only as of 08 has the league been able to overcome the bad taste they left in the mouths of the fans

second of all, most if not all nba owners don't need the nba. you don't buy an nba team to become a multi-million or billionare, you buy a team after your have already become one. if the players owned the league, then their source of income is also their investment. if the league went bust the players are all finished. it is so incredibly risky that it borders on the ridiculous.

im not saying the owners need the nba to stay wealthy. Im saying the players don't need the owners to play basketball in front of their fans and be compensated for the entertainment. The fact is the nba is a multi billion dollar business. And that's dolely due to the players, not the owners.

And before you say the owners take all the risks, that's not true cuz when they sign a player to a contract, they pass the price of that contract to the fans in raised ticket prices and parking etc. As well as expect the players to loose salary if in their opinion they aren't making enough money.
You could say that about any busines

[97 bulls]

Another thing miller time. I don't see why the nba a booming indusrty wouldn't be a sure thing if the 30 something owners aren't running the show. They're not practicing, shotting the ball, etc. Were talking about a league that would be established just run under new management.

[Hondo]

Isiah Thomas to bring back the CBA, and hold a dispersal draft for NBA players. That would work

[Collie]

Thing is, there are too many factors involved to make it as simple as you make it out to be. For one, the NBA is an established brand, and that counts for a lot. Let's say they put up the National Basketball League or something. For the hardcore basketball fan, it might not matter since we watch for the players. But for the rest of the market? Even with guys like Lebron, it isn't guaranteed that they'll watch or support it.

Second, how many multi-millionaires will support such a venture? If they're willing to pay the current salaries, they'd be looking at > $50 million costs a year, not counting the rest of their expenditures. That's a significant amount of money for a pet project. If you start counting marketing (which will need to be massive due to this being a new league), misc costs, personnel, coaches, the inevitable bidding war with the NBA - you'd probably go into the hundred millions, and that's NOT even counting the fact that you'd need an arena. If I'm a potential owner, I'd be willing to sponsor a rival league with guys like Lebron, but NOT at that price.

They already did this before you know? It was called the ABA and it featured some of the best players in the world like Dr J, David Thompson, George Gervin, Rick Barry, etc. And they still folded less than 10 years later. I have no reason to believe that this would turn out any different.

[The Iron Fist]

Quite possibly the dumbest thread, ever.

[Shepseskaf]

They don't need capital. They have clout. What tvv network wouldnt be willing to show basketball games featuring the greatest players in the world. All they need is businesses to invest. Then, they can undercut the owners by cutting side deals with the networks and cities and the like. It would take a while to get things up and running, but it can definately be done.

This is absolutely correct. To the dumb@sses who don't understand it, the players are the valued commodity, not the owners.

If a plan like this were put together, it wouldn't be the players themselves dealing with all of the organizational and logistical issues -- it would be smart businessmen who would be hired to perform the same roles that the current owners do.

The players could either pay them by sharing the revenue that the games generate. TV contracts could be negotiated, as could deals with arenas all around the country.

It wouldn't be simple to put together, but it could definitely be done -- if the players wanted to go in that direction.

[InspiredLebowski]

This thread is so full of stupid I don't know where to begin.

[blacknapalm]

wow, not even sure where to start. like you think you can just jump and start your own league with a whole set of coaches, scouts, trainers, personnel, logistics, arena costs, ticket sellers, retail, organizers, promoters, vendors, camera men, video coordinators, etc.? are you serious?

secondly, you would be breaking anti-trust laws. it would go the courts. it would take a long time, then there would be appeals.

third, by that point, you'd have players in different factions. it would be a huge mess with no direction. this isn't like getting a neighborhood block party game together.

this is not even an option.

[asdf1990]

Lets just put it this way the nets owner alone probably 3x more money than all the NBA players combined. U need cash to build stadiums, promote ur team etc.. and only billionaires have that kind of cash.

[bluechox2]

im sure nba players can afford to buy decent ass cameras, just ****ing stream that shit on the web and make new teams for fun, would be awesome

[stephanieg]

You mean the workers should run the factory? Commie!

[knicksman]

as if lebron and other superstars cant be replaced in this league. without these superstars, other players will step up and will become superstars so owners really dont need these players. if lebron or kobe doesnt want to play, im sure there are rookies like cousins, irving who would be willing to play and accept those amounts and become the face of the league. youre acting like if lebron is gone, nobody will step up. or owners cant find replacements for them