Why do some People call MJ the greatest defensive player ever?

[Psileas]

Yes, that's ONE Jordan homer being sucked in, the Kobe trolls do this all the time, start BS threads based on lies (like that steroid era post)

And for the record, what Jordan homers argue are closer to reality than what Kobe trolls argue. You dont think Jordan is closer to #1 perimeter defender than "not even top 10"?

Jordan's one of few guards to have won the DPOY and his steals/block numbers were insane in his younger days. I don't believe he's the GOAT perimeter defender (very few actually makes that claim) but he's definitely closer to that than what the Kobe trolls are claiming.

You wanna side with them? You really wanna sink to that level?

I don't deal with either Jordan or Kobe homers. Both have nothing to offer me. I didn't even mention somebody here as being a homer (regardless of whether I believe he's or not) and I didn't even comment on where Jordan belongs. The comment was on whether there exist people who believe Jordan is (or has a good case of being) the GOAT defender. You claimed there is no one (and you capitalized it), but that's not the case. Obviously they are not many, but who's to say that if (at least) one person out of the 30 or so who have commented here believes so, there won't be more (maybe a few million worldwide)?

Jordan is somewhere in top-5 as a perimeter defender (including perimeter oriented SF's). My top-10 defensive players ever (regardless of position) would probably all be big men, except maybe Rodman, for having been so versatile throughout his career.

[I.R.Beast]

he's jordan he was the best at everything and it's impossible to be better than him, because the only way to be better is to have the exact same success he had as a player and then some, because that how things just are....get with it or get lost

[gengiskhan]

he's jordan he was the best at everything and it's impossible to be better than him, because the only way to be better is to have the exact same success he had as a player and then some, because that how things just are....get with it or get lost

This

100+ blks/200+ stls seasons: MJ 2, Pippen 1, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

NBA DPOY: MJ 1, Pippen ZERO, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

Steals Leader: MJ 3, Iverson 3, Pippen 1, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

defensively, MJ will wipe his air jordans with that shethole called kobe easily.

[bond10]

Jordan was a top defender

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=213322

[RRR3]

This

100+ blks/200+ stls seasons: MJ 2, Pippen 1, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

NBA DPOY: MJ 1, Pippen ZERO, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

Steals Leader: MJ 3, Iverson 3, Pippen 1, Kobe ZERO, Lebron ZERO, Wade ZERO, Drexler ZERO

defensively, MJ will wipe his air jordans with that shethole called kobe easily.

You missed the sarcasm.

[MasterDurant24]

loco going crazy.

10 better defenders:
moncrief
b. jones
pippen
payton
artest
bowen
battier
dumars
cooper
robertson

Jordan is definetly a better defender than Battier.

[PowerGlove]

THIS x 1000

That squared.


Its crazy how Jordan has to be the fastest, strongest, best looking, etc...

[OldSchoolBBall]

loco going crazy.

10 better defenders:
moncrief
b. jones
pippen
payton
artest
bowen
battier
dumars
cooper
robertson

Only Pippen is arguable and probably superior. None of the others are. Again, if we're talking STRICTLY man-to-man defense, then yes, some of those guys are comparable and possibly superior (certainly more consistent given that most were specialists). But in terms of overall defensive impact on game - changing the entire complexion of games defensively - none of them even approach Jordan except for Pippen and possibly Payton. The rest of their team/help defense isn't nearly good enough to be in the discussion with Jordan. Learn the game.

[Teanett]

Only Pippen is arguable and probably superior. None of the others are. Again, if we're talking STRICTLY man-to-man defense, then yes, some of those guys are comparable and possibly superior (certainly more consistent given that most were specialists). But in terms of overall defensive impact on game - changing the entire complexion of games defensively - none of them even approach Jordan except for Pippen and possibly Payton. The rest of their team/help defense isn't nearly good enough to be in the discussion with Jordan. Learn the game.

artest was maybe as good man-to-man but didnt cover as much ground as jordan or pippen, nor could he cover small, fast guards.
bowen, while being an excellent man defender, had the big advantage of having admiral/tim behind him.

[andgar923]

I don't deal with either Jordan or Kobe homers. Both have nothing to offer me. I didn't even mention somebody here as being a homer (regardless of whether I believe he's or not) and I didn't even comment on where Jordan belongs. The comment was on whether there exist people who believe Jordan is (or has a good case of being) the GOAT defender. You claimed there is no one (and you capitalized it), but that's not the case. Obviously they are not many, but who's to say that if (at least) one person out of the 30 or so who have commented here believes so, there won't be more (maybe a few million worldwide)?

Jordan is somewhere in top-5 as a perimeter defender (including perimeter oriented SF's). My top-10 defensive players ever (regardless of position) would probably all be big men, except maybe Rodman, for having been so versatile throughout his career.

You quoted me to try and prove your point.... but misread my comment. I never stated that he was the GOAT.

[I.R.Beast]

You missed the sarcasm.

LMAO...he sure did

[Psileas]

No, Andgar, I read what you wrote. Did you read what I wrote?

Just in this very thread, you have at least one poster who thinks that Jordan has a great case. Quoting him:

The comment was on whether there exist people who believe Jordan is (or has a good case of being) the GOAT defender.

Where did I say that you claimed Jordan was the GOAT? You did write though that he has a great case and, unless in your mind there are like 20 different candidates, that's not far from belonging to the "Jordan = GOAT defender" category (not to mention that it doesn't sound exactly convincing to say that 20 different candidates have "great cases", unless you're comparing loads of people).
Remember, people usually get ignored/laughed at if they claim that even players who are usually ranked at #7-12 All-Time (Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan...) have a great case for being GOAT. Did Jordan stand out as a defender more than these stood out as players? I don't think so.

[andgar923]

No, Andgar, I read what you wrote. Did you read what I wrote?





Where did I say that you claimed Jordan was the GOAT? You did write though that he has a great case and, unless in your mind there are like 20 different candidates, that's not far from belonging to the "Jordan = GOAT defender" category (not to mention that it doesn't sound exactly convincing to say that 20 different candidates have "great cases", unless you're comparing loads of people).
Remember, people usually get ignored/laughed at if they claim that even players who are usually ranked at #7-12 All-Time (Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan...) have a great case for being GOAT. Did Jordan stand out as a defender more than these stood out as players? I don't think so.

I stand corrected.

[StarJordan]

NBA all time steals leaders:

Jordan is #2 ahead of 'the glove', would have been #1 had he not retired...

http://www.nba.com/statistics/defaul...opic=4&stat=13

[Big#50]

Bowen
PIPPEN
Payton
Dumars
Moncrief
Cooper
I have them all ranked over Jordan. Forget stats.
Never got to see Frazier play, so can't comment on him.
Then there are players who have a good case over him.
Artest
Robertson
DJ
You guys are basing his defense on stats.