ISH's #18 Player of Alltime

[pauk]

LEBRON JAMES

2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
5 x All-NBA 1st team
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)

STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time)
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time after only Michael Jordan)

DIRK NOWITZKI

1 x MVP
1 x Champion
1 x FMVP
4 x All-NBA 1st team
10 x NBA All-Star

STATS:

22792 points @ 23.0 PPG
8315 rebounds @ 8.4 RPG
2655 assists @ 2.7 APG
884 steals @ 0.9 SPG
983 blocks @ 1.0 BPG

PER - 23.7 (#15 all-time)

I wont even mention the magnitude of milestones, records Lebron possess over Dirk....
I wont even mention the impact and team success he bringed based on what he had to work with around him...
I wont even mention the overall playoff performance...
I wont even mention the fact of Lebron being much more talented-dominant-significant than Dirk...

[Sakkreth]

For me it's stupid to rank LeBron somewhere already.

[pauk]

For me it's stupid to rank LeBron somewhere already.

tell me... why? would be glad to hear....

meanwhile... answer me also why its ok to rank Dirk somewhere already and Lebron not already?

[Dragonyeuw]

David Robinson

[boyle777]

Dirk. Deserves rep now. Has been beastin' for years.

Also........for all the talk about how lebron HAS to win a championship and be the FMVP to be considered among the all time greats, how can KG win a ring, not get the FMVP (arguably deserved it, but didn't so deal with it), and not get negged and still get voted #17 by posters on here, when Dirk has been more successful in the post season and went nuts to get his team the ship? Just a thought!

[Sakkreth]

tell me... why? would be glad to hear....

meanwhile... answer me also why its ok to rank Dirk somewhere already and Lebron not already?

Because I simply think that ranking players in all-time list who maybe haven't even been in their peak yet is stupid. What other way I could explain it ?

[ACCBaller1403]

I would vote Dirk with DRob next in line. DRob had better regular season stats and a better basketball body but couldn't win without Duncan who was the true leader ofthose championship teams. He just didn't bring it like Dirk has in the playoffs.

Gotta be Dirk.

Edit: Isiah belongs in this group too.

[dynasty1978]

18. Dirk
19. Hondo

[pauk]

Because I simply think that ranking players in all-time list who maybe haven't even been in their peak yet is stupid. What other way I could explain it ?

thats very unfair logic...

peaked or not peaked.... the whole point of ranks like these is finding out who overall accomplished the most, legacy, talent, career all in all..... something which Lebron has done more than enough of already to deserve this spot....

lebrons career already is in the repertoire of Barkley/Malone.... and thats where he belongs in the ranks... peak or no peak...

[RRR3]

The Admiral

[pauk]

The Admiral

after a bit of research i think thats the only player i can agree with who had better career than Lebron at this point... not Dirk...

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[RRR3]

[QUOTE=pauk]Thats the only player i can agree with who had better career than Lebron at this point... not Dirk...

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[Yung D-Will]

[QUOTE=pauk]after a bit of research i think thats the only player i can agree with who had better career than Lebron at this point... not Dirk...

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[colts19]

Hondo

[Tha Catalyst]

We may not have seen Mikan but his achievement stand up to the players from 12ish onwards. So my vote which seems pointless at this stage is Mikan, he has to be top 20, you can only dominate the era you play in, which he did.