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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Playoff PER
A's (Main Star) :
Shaq (00-02) : 29
Jordan (91-93 + 96-98) : 28.53
B's (Side-Kicks) :
Kobe (00-02) : 21
Pippen (91-93 + 96-98) : 19.5
The difference is clear and obvious.
Comparison Between Kobe/Gasol in 2010.
Regular Season PER / WShares
Gasol : 22.9 ||| 11
Kobe : 21.9 ||| 9.4
Playoff PER / WShares
Gasol : 24 ||| 4.7
Kobe : 24.7 ||| 3.6
2010 Playoff Summary.
Gasol better in 12/23 Games.
Kobe better in 10/23 Games.
Gasol >= Kobe in 2010
Jacks3 =
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Jacks3
Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.
By far the worst intangibles/work-ethic of any All-Time great. Burned bridges everywhere he went. Never won without the best SG in the league, and needed a top 3 player in the league for 3/4 titles. Swept in the PS on 8 different occasions. Biggest underachiever in history. Consistently mediocre defender whose teams tended to suck defensively outside 00,02. HORRIFIC pick-roll defender who literally cost his team entire series with his awful p/r D. That's how bad it was.
Had stacked teams his entire career with Penny/Scott/Anderson then Eddie Jones/NVE/Kobe/Rice etc then prime Kobe then prime Wade then prime Nash.
Not mention all the bullshit offensive fouls he got away with.
Most overrated player ever
Wow.
Biggest underachiever in history.
Dude destroyed teams in ORL, LA, and Miami with his horrible leadership and insecure ways.
Sad.
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I argue against Kobe
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Jacks3
Playoff PER
A's (Main Star) :
Shaq (00-02) : 29
Jordan (91-93 + 96-98) : 28.53
B's (Side-Kicks) :
Kobe (00-02) : 21
Pippen (91-93 + 96-98) : 19.5
The difference is clear and obvious.
Comparison Between Kobe/Gasol in 2010.
Regular Season PER / WShares
Gasol : 22.9 ||| 11
Kobe : 21.9 ||| 9.4
Playoff PER / WShares
Gasol : 24 ||| 4.7
Kobe : 24.7 ||| 3.6
2010 Playoff Summary.
Gasol better in 12/23 Games.
Kobe better in 10/23 Games.
Gasol >= Kobe in 2010
Me =
Excellent Post Jacks3.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Jacks3
Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.
By far the worst intangibles/work-ethic of any All-Time great. Burned bridges everywhere he went. Never won without the best SG in the league, and needed a top 3 player in the league for 3/4 titles. Swept in the PS on 8 different occasions. Biggest underachiever in history. Consistently mediocre defender whose teams tended to suck defensively outside 00,02. HORRIFIC pick-roll defender who literally cost his team entire series with his awful p/r D. That's how bad it was.
Had stacked teams his entire career with Penny/Scott/Anderson then Eddie Jones/NVE/Kobe/Rice etc then prime Kobe then prime Wade then prime Nash.
Not mention all the bullshit offensive fouls he got away with.
Most overrated player ever
Wow.
Biggest underachiever in history.
Snaq was so lucky that league was so weak during his prime and that he played with three great guards, two of them top 20 all time.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by 32Dayz
Kobe was not clearly better then Vince Carter from 00-02.
After that he fizzled out and then yes Kobe was clearly better.
You really think VC is better than Kobe in 00-02?!
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by DFish
Career Playoff Stats
Kobe: 5,280 points, 988 assists, 1,061 rebounds, 294 steals, 142 blocks, 1,882 FG.
Wade: 2,251 points, 486 assists, 499 rebounds, 143 steals, 95 blocks, 788 FG.
Average >>>>>>>>>>> Totals
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Nevaeh
I'm the retard? I'm not the one who s after quoting my own posts like a lunatic. You're leaving out parts of Kobe's career stats on purpose, because you know it'll bring his numbers down across the board.
He's the only player I see this done for here. That's the point I was making about "Picking and Choosing". I guess you can call it "omitting" or " leaving out", if it makes you feel better.
This.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by AI3Anthony
How in the hell is Kevin Durant the most overrated player in NBA history? Or are you just trolling?
4-5 other posters listed him on the same page and so I had to go with the consensus
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by D-Wade316
Average >>>>>>>>>>> Totals
Its incredible the things Kobe Fans do to Hype him up
Totals?
Averages are more important and even more EFF; PER, Plus/Minus/, Shot Made Diferential...etc pure Indiviudal Efficiency or Dominance.
Then comes Team WS, OWS, DWS.
Wade > Bryant for like the last 3-4 years
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College superstar
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by HurricaneKid
Kobe has never once been #1 or #2 in the NBA in Win Shares or PER. Jordan was #1 16 times. Yet people are not only comparing the two but saying Kobe is better? That is crazy and proves just how overrated Kobe is here.
This. When 2 players playing the same position (no big man bias) under the same coach and same system have such varying results (in, for example, above Win Shares or PER), it's ludicrous to compare them. If Kobe was as great as/better (as some fans here have him), he'd be littering the top of those charts in that top playoff performers like MJ does instead of the no-show.
I also think that Reggie Miller is over-rated.
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Wade > Bryant for like the last 3-4 years
Rings in the last 3-4 years.
Celtics - 1
Lakers - 2
Mavs - 1
Or, to help you:
Wade - 0
Kobe - 2
Need moar?
Finals Appearances:
Wade - 1
Kobe - 3
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Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Originally Posted by Jacks3
Most overrated ever? I have to go with Snaq.
By far the worst intangibles/work-ethic of any All-Time great. Burned bridges everywhere he went. Never won without the best SG in the league, and needed a top 3 player in the league for 3/4 titles. Swept in the PS on 8 different occasions. Biggest underachiever in history. Consistently mediocre defender whose teams tended to suck defensively outside 00,02. HORRIFIC pick-roll defender who literally cost his team entire series with his awful p/r D. That's how bad it was.
Had stacked teams his entire career with Penny/Scott/Anderson then Eddie Jones/NVE/Kobe/Rice etc then prime Kobe then prime Wade then prime Nash.
Not mention all the bullshit offensive fouls he got away with.
Most overrated player ever
Wow.
Biggest underachiever in history.
You're a creepy ass mother****er.
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I eat cheese
Re: More overrated player in NBA history
Oscar Robertson
or
Kobe Bryant
or
Wilt Chamberlain
or
Bob Cousy
Take your pick
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