Is Kevin Durant above Tracy McGrady in the all-time list?

[NinjaSeal]

honestly based on videos and montages... not stats...

mcgrady is the 2nd best sg ever... headfake fake pass crossover headfake spin fade on offshoulder ...all net? jordan jr.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Would be stupid not to..the object of the game is to win, something McGrady didn't do

Does Durant even make the playoffs on prime T-Mac's teams('01-'05)? Maybe '05, but there's little to no chance he wins any series either, and it's a huge stretch to say he'd get any of those Orlando teams into the playoffs. Prime T-Mac was simply a better all around player.

[rhythmic]

Kobe's prime wasn't some top 10 all time great prime. Kobe is great because of his longevity and being a top 5 player in the league for an entire decade, not being the absolute best in the game by a huge margin.

Have fun with a career loser as your best player. Isn't that the ENTIRE Kobe>LeBron argument?

You would be making sense if Durant actually won a ring or two and separated himself from McGrady. Skill-set alone, McGrady by a clear margin for me.

[28renyoy]

Kobe>LeBron because of winning, but McGrady>Durant because of stats. And McGrady doesn't even have better stats than Durant, his stats are worse if you include his entire prime. The guy had ONE great season and is overrated because of his playing style. Just like Iverson

[Tenchi Ryu]

honestly based on videos and montages... not stats...

mcgrady is the 2nd best sg ever... headfake fake pass crossover headfake spin fade on offshoulder ...all net? jordan jr.

Stat Whores do not understand this.

[KBryant24]

Stat Whores do not understand this.

its sad.
true nba fans need to accept both the visual side of the game and the statistical side.
I can't stand when people make arguments that are entirely based on one or the other.

[StateOfMind12]

Does Durant even make the playoffs on prime T-Mac's teams('01-'05)? Maybe '05, but there's little to no chance he wins any series either, and it's a huge stretch to say he'd get any of those Orlando teams into the playoffs. Prime T-Mac was simply a better all around player.

I am not sure how true this is. Prime T-Mac was a better facilitator, passer, and playmaker and that was about it. As far as all the other aspects of the game Durant was either equal to Tmac or better.

I think Peak Tmac was better so Tmac in '02-'03 was probably better than any version of Durant but all the other versions of Tmac are not better than either '09-'10 Durant or '10-'11 Durant and certainly not current '11-'12 Durant.

[28renyoy]

its sad.
true nba fans need to accept both the visual side of the game and the statistical side.
I can't stand when people make arguments that are entirely based on one or the other.

Aesthetics >Production

Let's determine the NBA champion by who looks the best/most fun to watch and not by who actually wins the games

[Zenji]

This.

[KBryant24]

Aesthetics >Production

Let's determine the NBA champion by who looks the best/most fun to watch and not by who actually wins the games

championships arent decided by boxscores. Role guys dont put up significant numbers at all and yet they are arguable the difference between an NBA champion and a first round exit.
also, defense wins championships, and yet there are not many stats that can tell you how dominant a D is.

[B-Low]

I never do the hashtag thing but this thread calls for it. Who's higher on the all-time list?

Answer: Tracy McGrady #yallmustaforgot

[KBryant24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceLlz...eature=related

[ShaqAttack3234]

I am not sure how true this is. Prime T-Mac was a better facilitator, passer, and playmaker and that was about it. As far as all the other aspects of the game Durant was either equal to Tmac or better.

I think Peak Tmac was better so Tmac in '02-'03 was probably better than any version of Durant but all the other versions of Tmac are not better than either '09-'10 Durant or '10-'11 Durant and certainly not current '11-'12 Durant.

Well, peak T-Mac is clearly better, imo, but I think that if T-Mac set out to score more in '02, he could've probably scored 30 per game without fucking up the team had he wanted to, he didn't look much less capable than '03, maybe a little worse as a shooter. Same with '05 T-Mac to some degree. '01-'04 was a tougher defense era, no way Durant is getting to the line at the comical rate he did in '10 back then. While some will only look at TS%(and forget the era), T-Mac was also a much better ball handler and turning the ball over less is part of efficiency as well. T-Mac did settle for more jumpers and not try as hard in '04 by his own admission, and that should be held against him, but he was pretty much as capable as ever.

It does come down to approach and team to some degree.

T-Mac's advantage as a passer and playmaker is huge and he was a better defender when motivated(usually in the playoffs), aside from pure shooting, prime T-Mac was as good at everything, imo and at least as good of a streak shooter, if not better.

[Legends66NBA7]

championships arent decided by boxscores. Role guys dont put up significant numbers at all and yet they are arguable the difference between an NBA champion and a first round exit.
also, defense wins championships, and yet there are not many stats that can tell you how dominant a D is.

+1.

Just look at the Dallas Mavericks for example in one difference of changing their role playing centers from Dampier to Chandler. Pretty much fits the build of what you just said.

[RRR3]

Well, peak T-Mac is clearly better, imo, but I think that if T-Mac set out to score more in '02, he could've probably scored 30 per game without fucking up the team had he wanted to, he didn't look much less capable than '03, maybe a little worse as a shooter. Same with '05 T-Mac to some degree. '01-'04 was a tougher defense era, no way Durant is getting to the line at the comical rate he did in '10 back then. While some will only look at TS%(and forget the era), T-Mac was also a much better ball handler and turning the ball over less is part of efficiency as well. T-Mac did settle for more jumpers and not try as hard in '04 by his own admission, and that should be held against him, but he was pretty much as capable as ever.

It does come down to approach and team to some degree.

T-Mac's advantage as a passer and playmaker is huge and he was a better defender when motivated(usually in the playoffs), aside from pure shooting, prime T-Mac was as good at everything, imo and at least as good of a streak shooter, if not better.

Btw shaqattack op Is rocketsgreatness (rg) aka swagger. Just FYI.