World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

[JtotheIzzo]

Anyone who says anything other than the US is a complete and utter jackass.

This thread is over.

[LuppersGB]

In all out war I think it would be close.
The western armies have far far superior technological capability, also far more versatile Military forces.
The key question is where it would be fought geographically? The US military projection surpasses the other three combined. If the US was the general force whilst using the British and the Israelis as a skirmisher-esque asset they could inflict a serious amount of damage.

On the other hand if you look at the numbers game: Iran, Russia and China have a monstrous advantage.
Russia has a reserve force of 20million!
'Eastern' has a force of approx. 29,400,000
'Western' has a force of approx. 4,050,000
That's a 7:1 ratio against, in military strategy you look to gain victory by having at least a 3:1 ratio of forces availiable
and at the end of the day a $10 Ak-47 can still kill as many as a $1.2bill stealth fighter, because they have a lot of Ak-47s....

[RaininThrees]

No one.

[pauk]

US would wipe the floor...

Gimme these US weapons and i will kill em all myself...

FOR INFANTRY ACTION:

CheyTac M200 sniper rifle:


.44/.50 cal Raging Bull:


FOR AA DEFENSE/OFFENSE

USS Essex Turret/Cannon:


M6 Bradley Linebacker:


FOR ANTI-TANK AND NUCLEAR BOMB DROPPING

A-10 Warthog::


B2 Bomber:


FOR JET/DOGFIGHTING

F22 Raptor:


F16 Hornet:

[JtotheIzzo]

Another thing to take into consideration is the US etc... would be allowed to use 95% of the countries in the world for bases, refueling, logistics, support etc... while The Chinese, Russians and Iranians would have North Korea, Cuba and maybe a couple of Central Asian and Middle Eastern countries.

Their massive number of soldiers would be irrelevant because they could not be used offensively.

It is only in the last couple of years that China has had the capabilities to take tiny Taiwan, the idea that they can get these troops elsewhere is preposterous.

[pauk]

and yes... i play to much Battlefield 3

[LuppersGB]

I raise you

[LuppersGB]

Another thing to take into consideration is the US etc... would be allowed to use 95% of the countries in the world for bases, refueling, logistics, support etc... while The Chinese, Russians and Iranians would have North Korea, Cuba and maybe a couple of Central Asian and Middle Eastern countries.

Their massive number of soldiers would be irrelevant because they could not be used offensively.

It is only in the last couple of years that China has had the capabilities to take tiny Taiwan, the idea that they can get these troops elsewhere is preposterous.

so the fight would be on their soil which the logistics of the 'west' could handle. However against a trained force ie an individual who can fire a weapon system in the right direction with a certain degree of skill/undertstanding to what they are doing in a defensive position is f*cking hard to take on. Especially if you are numerically disadvantaged.
I'm definitely thinking that the west can not in anyway win this.

[B-Easy8]

Give me the Germans.

Everyone who is listing all the weapons the US has, do you think China and Russia wouldn't have this stuff also? They just have no intention of sharing what they have but I can guarantee that they would have a lot of shit themselves. Weapons aren't the whole story either, look at the Vietnam war. The sheer size of Russia, there massive population that they are willing to kill for nothing and there awful climate completely derailed the Nazis also so that also needs to be taken into consideration.

[JtotheIzzo]

so the fight would be on their soil which the logistics of the 'west' could handle. However against a trained force ie an individual who can fire a weapon system in the right direction with a certain degree of skill/undertstanding to what they are doing in a defensive position is f*cking hard to take on. Especially if you are numerically disadvantaged.
I'm definitely thinking that the west can not in anyway win this.

not sure if serious (add gif as necessary).

if it is fought on their soil, they have absolutely no chance of even challenging, let alone winning, they have no outward attacking ability, and the West can attack from all 4 directions as they have allies in all four directions.

bombs negate any numerical advantage, and with Western countries being basically untouched (due to the lack of forward attack from the CN/RU team) they can continue to churn out artillery at break neck speed.

ALSO

standing army aside, if the US and the UK had a draft, the numbers would approach equal very quickly.

There is NO WAY a China/Russia team could win this, their ceiling is holding off the west for an extended period of time inside their own borders.

Hardly world domination.

In WW2 the Germans and Japanese had serious amphibious capabilities and for long while superior air capabilities.

The Chinese and Russians have very few amphibious vehicles to transport troops and are at a serious air disadvantage.

but then again, if you think bunkering up in your own backyard and putting out human shield after human shield is a victory, then there is really no point in having a meaningful discussion about this.

[JtotheIzzo]

Give me the Germans.

Everyone who is listing all the weapons the US has, do you think China and Russia wouldn't have this stuff also? They just have no intention of sharing what they have but I can guarantee that they would have a lot of shit themselves. Weapons aren't the whole story either, look at the Vietnam war. The sheer size of Russia, there massive population that they are willing to kill for nothing and there awful climate completely derailed the Nazis also so that also needs to be taken into consideration.

you cannot hide aircraft carriers, and it is hard to hide fighter jets. When you have no overseas bases, bombing campaigns cannot be done (too much distance).

I'd be careful about how loosely you throw out your 'guarantee', your word may soon turn to mud.

The Russian climate only derailed the Germans because the Russians had very few paved roads for German infantry to traverse and they literally got stuck int he mud. Different time we live in now.

[RidonKs]

also bear in mind the game would be entirely different than, say, the frustrating invasions into Iraq and Afghanistan and even 'Nam because western strategy would come much closer to approaching total war that most other non-dominant nations tend to use anyway. the americans don't really need to and, more than any other superpower in history, they're worried about killing civilians because it causes major backlash on the homeland... not worried enough to stop, but worried enough to always provide pseudoexplanation and rationalization to please the loony lefties back home.

an event like this? they would take out entire f*cking cities, think dresden but way worse. oh, and missile defense systems are a hundred million times on the side of whoever plays with the americans. it would be difficult to get anything through.

the americans would set the conditions of the battle and win as a result.

[B-Easy8]

Where is this American money coming from also? If a war broke out they would need to borrow trillions and the country that has all the money is there enemy. The economy is already piss weak as is there would be a massive revolt if this were to happen.

[JtotheIzzo]

Where is this American money coming from also? If a war broke out they would need to borrow trillions and the country that has all the money is there enemy. The economy is already piss weak as is there would be a massive revolt if this were to happen.

China owns 11% of US debt, hardly a drama. and don't forget the old adage: "If you owe the bank $100 you have a problem, if you owe the bank $1M the bank has a problem."

And as 'weak' as the US economy appears to be they are still infinitely richer than China where 70% of the population still lives in poverty.

Don't forget the main reason Germany went to war in WW2 was because their economy was in tatters and they almost took over the world. The US has a much wider gap in power than the Germans ever did.

[shlver]

I wonder if some of these guys know the extent of how large our naval and air forces are in comparison to other nations.