Larry Bird Would Like To Have Kobe As His Teammate

**32Dayz** · 02-07-2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheFrozenOne

(fast forward 7 years to the year 2019...Lebron is on the Bobcats still ringless.)

Bird - "so

...I was wrong.....deal wit it"

The Heat are about to go on a 5Peat.

Lebron will be 32 with 5 Rings and 2FMVP and everyone will be talking about how he is better then Kobe and derp de doo.

U mad?

**PTB Fan** · 02-07-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by G-Funk

Bird complimented both Lebron & Kobe... & he's right about both players

Agreed with this post.

**LakersReign** · 02-07-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by G-Funk

I know exactly what u mean, that's why the last thread where Bird complimented Lebron, I said "Bird was a bad evaluator of talent" with sarcasm...because I know that's what they do...Even when MJ said Kobe is the only player who deserves comparison, they shit it on him.

Yeah, I know that too. Then they still expect REASONABLE NBA fans to take them seriously

**SpecialQue** · 02-07-2012, 05:47 PM

When you think about Bird's work ethic, it's no surprise that he thinks this highly of Kobe as a player. Great compliment.

On another note, it's fvcking hilarious seeing internet tards try to discredit Bird's personal opinion.

**32Dayz** · 02-07-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Heavincent

Wouldn't that describe Lebron way more than Kobe? Kobe's played for the same team for 16 ****ing years you dipshit

No because Lebron never played with a player far better then himself.

He was the best player on Cleveland and he is the best or tied for the best player in Miami.

Shaq was light years better then Kobe from 00-02.
Shaq did the heavy lifting and he was by far the main reason those teams succeeded.

Even in 2009 Kobe was only slightly better then Gasol and in 2010 Gasol was the best player for LA in the playoffs and finals.

**talkingconch** · 02-07-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

The Heat are about to go on a 5Peat.

Lebron will be 32 with 5 Rings and 2FMVP and everyone will be talking about how he is better then Kobe and derp de doo.

U mad?

Except he would play on a team with Wade and Bosh

**TheFrozenOne** · 02-07-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

No because Lebron never played with a player far better then himself.

He was the best player on Cleveland and he is the best or tied for the best player in Miami.

Shaq was light years better then Kobe from 00-02.
Shaq did the heavy lifting and he was by far the main reason those teams succeeded.

Even in 2009 Kobe was only slightly better then Gasol and in 2010 Gasol was the best player for LA in the playoffs and finals.

**FlashDwyaneWade3** · 02-07-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

I respect Larry Bird.

I just disagree with the notion that Kobe has something special about him that allows him to win more then other high level guard/wing players of this generation.

I believe the reason he has won more is directly related to the players/casts/coaches he has had mixed in with alittle luck.

I mean cmon... 3 of his Rings were won with a player "much" better then himself.
How can you act like he led those teams to victory?
He was simply a 2nd banana to a better player those years.

"Players, casts and coaches." So Michael Jordan is not really special when he had Phil Jackson as his coach and teammates like Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, B.J. Armstrong etc. on his team? It's cause he had a stack team like that? Same with Magic Johnson right? He had Pat Riley as his coach, Kareem, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Bob McAdoo, Michael Cooper and others. And Larry Bird had Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Bill Walton and others.

**talkingconch** · 02-07-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

No because Lebron never played with a player far better then himself.

He was the best player on Cleveland and he is the best or tied for the best player in Miami.

Shaq was light years better then Kobe from 00-02.
Shaq did the heavy lifting and he was by far the main reason those teams succeeded.

Even in 2009 Kobe was only slightly better then Gasol and in 2010 Gasol was the best player for LA in the playoffs and finals.

Just stop posting already, you're getting demolished

**Heavincent** · 02-07-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

No because Lebron never played with a player far better then himself.

He was the best player on Cleveland and he is the best or tied for the best player in Miami.

Shaq was light years better then Kobe from 00-02.
Shaq did the heavy lifting and he was by far the main reason those teams succeeded.

Even in 2009 Kobe was only slightly better then Gasol and in 2010 Gasol was the best player for LA in the playoffs and finals.

If that helps you sleep better at night, then sure, believe whatever you want, no matter how ridiculous it is.

**DMAVS41** · 02-07-2012, 05:53 PM

I'm sure Larry would like that until Kobe puts in one of his 7 for 28 performances in a playoff game and refuses to play team ball. Not sure how long that love affair would really last.

Kobe definitely wants to win, but it has to be his way. I think Bird and Kobe would have clashed far more than the legend thinks.

**32Dayz** · 02-07-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by FlashDwyaneWade3

"Players, casts and coaches." So Michael Jordan is not really special when he had Phil Jackson as his coach and teammates like Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, B.J. Armstrong etc. on his team? It's cause he had a stack team like that? Same with Magic Johnson right? He had Pat Riley as his coach, Kareem, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Bob McAdoo, Michael Cooper and others. And Larry Bird had Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Bill Walton and others.

Thats the point you fool!

Most of the ATGreats won because of those reasons not just Kobe.

But if you remove the Rings element and just compare Jordan to Kobe there is no comparison to be made.
Jordan was a better player and its evident when you compare their respective playoffs and finals performances.

Kobe if you judged him by how he performed in the playoffs and finals is certainly not a Top 10 ATPlayer and doesn't have much of a case over Lebron other then (for now) having 2-3 good Finals performances and a tiny bit of longevity.

**talkingconch** · 02-07-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

Thats the point you fool!

Most of the ATGreats won because of those reasons not just Kobe.

But if you remove the Rings element and just compare Jordan to Kobe there is no comparison to be made.
Jordan was a better player and its evident when you compare their respective playoffs and finals performances.

**TheFrozenOne** · 02-07-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by DMAVS41

I'm sure Larry would like that until Kobe puts in one of his 7 for 28 performances in a playoff game and refuses to play team ball. Not sure how long that love affair would really last.

Kobe definitely wants to win, but it has to be his way. I think Bird and Kobe would have clashed far more than the legend thinks.

What's your point?...Bird had back to back 8 point games in the Finals and lost 8 tiomes with HCA

I think Bird and Kobe would have played great together and had great chemistry....Kobe has been able to prove to everyone he can win playing multiple styles.

**32Dayz** · 02-07-2012, 05:55 PM

Playoff PER

A's (Main Star) :
Shaq (00-02) : 29
Jordan (91-93 + 96-98) : 28.53

B's (Side-Kicks) :
Kobe (00-02) : 21
Pippen (91-93 + 96-98) : 19.5

The difference is clear and obvious.

Comparison Between Kobe/Gasol in 2010.

Regular Season PER / WShares
Gasol : 22.9 ||| 11
Kobe : 21.9 ||| 9.4

Playoff PER / WShares
Gasol : 24 ||| 4.7
Kobe : 24.7 ||| 3.6

2010 Playoff Summary.
Gasol better in 12/23 Games.
Kobe better in 10/23 Games.

Gasol >= Kobe in 2010

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MVP Shares / Votes / Points from 01-05.
TMac : 925
Kobe : 817

01 - 05
TMac > Kobe

Players from this Generation :

Jordan > Shaq >>> Duncan > Hakeem >>>>> KG/Kobe

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#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61
Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

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#2.
Shaq : Post Season - PER
Peak : 31
Top 5 : 30
Top 7 : 29.56
Top 10 : 28.52
Top 13 : 26.55
14th to 16th Season (Final 3 Seasons) - 18.33

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#4.
Duncan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 28.4
Top 5 : 26.96
Top 7 : 27.49
Top 10 : 26.67
Top 13 : 25.4

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#12.
Hakeem : Post Season - PER
Peak : 27.7
Top 5 : 24.95
Top 7 : 24.61

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#14.
KG : Post Season - PER
Peak : 25.5
Top 5 : 24.68
Top 7 : 24

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#15.
Kobe : Post Season - PER
Peak : 26.8
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 23
Top 10 : 22.98
Top 13 : 21.62

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