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Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Last edited by 28renyoy; 07-04-2012 at 08:41 AM.
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sahelanthropus
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by 28renyoy
86 Bird no question
it's close...I'd like to say 86 Bird, but he faced some shaft D's compared to Kobe
East first round: 28.3/8.0/8.0/1.7/1.3 on 64.2 TS% against the Bulls (3-0 win) #23 defense
East semis: 27.2/9.6/7.0/1.8/0.8 on 59.9 TS% against the Hawks (4-1 win) #6 defense
ECF: 25.3/9.5/8.0/1.8/0.3 on 67.1 TS% against the Bucks (4-0 win) #2 defense
NBA Finals: 24.0/9.7/9.5/2.7/0.3 on 57.8 TS% against the Rockets (4-2 win) #14 defense
great no doubt and I'm voting for him @11 but Kobe did damage against 4 top 10 defenses
Last edited by fpliii; 07-04-2012 at 03:40 AM.
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sahelanthropus
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
that ish cray
should be outlawed
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by fpliii
it's close...I'd like to say 86 Bird, but he faced some shaft D's compared to Kobe
East first round: 28.3/8.0/8.0/1.7/1.3 on 64.2 TS% against the Bulls (3-0 win) #23 defense
East semis: 27.2/9.6/7.0/1.8/0.8 on 59.9 TS% against the Hawks (4-1 win) #19 defense
ECF: 25.3/9.5/8.0/1.8/0.3 on 67.1 TS% against the Bucks (4-0 win) #2 defense
NBA Finals: 24.0/9.7/9.5/2.7/0.3 on 57.8 TS% against the Rockets (4-2 win) #14 defense
great no doubt and I'm voting for him @11 but Kobe did damage against 4 top 10 defenses
Atlanta had the #6 defense and Houston had a very good defender Rodney McCray guarding Bird.
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sahelanthropus
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
Atlanta had the #6 defense and Houston had a very good defender Rodney McCray guarding Bird.
thanks, fixed it (I was looking at attendance instead of DRtg for Atlanta on the BBR team page)
I'm not trying to slight him really, I think he was amazing that year, just have Kobe ahead
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NBA All-star
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
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Gooner | Heat Nation
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
IMO Wade's 06 run is better than Kobe's 09 run. More efficient, more clutch etc...
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ISH' Muslim Community
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Last round Lebron got about 30+ votes and was 20+ votes ahead of third, and now he will not get even 10 votes. This threads are all about finding the new playoff run to put it ahead of Lebron's, even though clearly undeservedly.
So message for all the posters who wanted to vote for Lebron: DONT DO IT!
Lets just satisfy Kobe fans' wishes. Last 2 years were hard for them, watching Lebron going into the straight finals, and winning this year in big fashion, and it will repeat next 3 years at least. They are simply desperate right now.
IM VOTING FOR 09' KOBE!
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Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by BlackVVaves
Magic has to have #10 in the bag.
1987, averaged 22, 8, and 12 in the Playoffs, and more impressively, 26, 8, and 13 in the Finals against none other than his rival and nemesis, Larry Bird and the Celtics. Shot 55% from the field as a POINT GUARD in that Finals.
Game winning baby-sky-hook-shot in Game 4, a game that, if the Lakers lost, would have sent them back to Boston for Game 5 tied, and with homecourt advantage for the remainder of the series.
After the series, Bird proclaimed Magic the best he'd ever seen play basketball, ever.
If Magic isn't #10, something is wrong with ISH.
The ONLY reason Magic isn't #9 ahead of Bird is, he had much more help that year than Bird in 84. Worthy was beginning to dominate, and Kareem was still dropping 30 points in the Finals. Bird's supporting class had not yet grown into HoFers in 84. That is the only reason I can give him the nod over Magic.
[1987 Magic]
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Flea
Fan in the Stands (unregistered)
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Nowitzki in 2011...
He was a difference maker. Without him, Dallas would have been eliminated in first round, or second at best. He was so clutch, that the opposing team needed 20+ point lead in 4th quarter to win the game... and sometimes, even that wasnt enough.
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Local High School Star
Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
Originally Posted by fpliii
09 Kobe
West first round: 27.4/5.0/5.6/2.4/0.4 on 57.0 TS% against the Jazz (4-1 win) #10 defense
West semis: 27.4/5.0/3.7/2.0/1.3 on 53.5 TS% against the Rockets (4-3 win) #4 defense
WCF: 34.0/5.8/5.8/0.8/0.5 on 62.7 TS% against the Nuggets (4-2 win) #8 defense
NBA Finals: 32.4/5.6/7.4/1.4/1.4 on 52.5 TS% against the Magic (4-1 win) #1 defense
seriously...has anyone else in recent memory done this much damage to great defenses? hell, have any of the other Finals MVPs even FACED four top 10 defenses in their respective runs?
Kobe had 5 rings. Out of those 5, this was his best run.
09 Kobe has my vote
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Titles are overrated
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Having watched all but I think 8 or 9 televised playoff games since the mid 80s....I really dont see how Kobe was even getting votes this early.
Hes on a higher level in general than some people who have had better finals runs but still....ive never been left thinking "That guy is just dominant as hell" watching him win a title. Hes never had one of those runs.
As I said...hes arguably as good as or better than some people who have. But fact remains...Kobe has never really had to play his best to win a ring. Especially in the finals.
Kobe has never had a finals that just stands out in my memory as a great series by the standards of people on his level. Hes had some great conference finals and he ate the suns up more than once. But on the biggest stage? His shot so often seems to be off. They won in 09 but in the last 3 games he went 11/25, 11/31, and 10/23 and its not like the Magic had any outstanding guards he needed to shut down.
And im not saying he somehow chokes in the finals or anything. I dont think Kobe really lets the situaiton get to him. But for whatever reason....he never has that "Ok...this is why hes a big deal" finals.
You could argue that with 5 rings he has not had to have one. But whatever the reason....hes never left me in awe after the finals. Hes never had to do what Wade did to win in 06 and it doesnt seem anyone even cares about that.
He might be better than Wade...hes never really played better on that stage than Wade did. he might be better than Dirk...hes never really been more dominant than Dirk was in the west playoffs and both have had worse finals than they played on the way to them.
Kobe has never played better than Shaq in the 02 playoffs either. Shaq would go have games in the finals that makes you feel like an idiot for even questioning if the other team could win a game. Shaq played spirit crushing "Do we even need to play game 4?" basketball in the finals.
Kobe has played on an all time elite level plenty of times. Just so happens it isnt usually on the stage people are gonna remember.
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Re: Vote - #10 Playoff Run of All-Time by a FMVP
biggest robbery in ish history if 09 kobe aint in the top 10.
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Raps
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