Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

[StateOfMind12]

He had a 66 win team in Boston.

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I forgot to add that KG has never lost as the favorite either. Every time KG was suppose to win a playoff series, he got the job done. Dirk? We all heard of what happened in the 1st round in 2007 and the Finals of 2006.

[Cone]

Ever since Dirk was the #1 option he has always had mediocre teams at best. Don't act like he's been playing with ****ing Ray Allen and Paul Pierce..

Dirk's 06-07 team was trash, it's a miracle that they got 67 wins..

KG got carried enough times with boston.. dirk, never.

prime KG actually missed the playoffs multiple times.. sad.

[Kblaze8855]

Id love it if we had ISH in the 60s and some archives to see the same kind of idiots who dont believe KG led the 08 Celtics to a rin calling Bill Russell a Robin type because Sam Jones or Hondo led the teams in scoring. And even that really wouldnt be the same because KG actually led the 08 Celtics in playoff scoring. And 4th quarter scoring. While being the DPOY..on a defense first team....and leading rebounder...and the on the floor and in practice leader from an emotional standpoint.

Really....picture this happening with anyone else...

The leagues DPOY....the guy 3rd in MVP voting...all NBA first team...leads his team in playoff scoring/rebounds as well...puts up like 27/16 totally dominating the closeout game...clear best player for the teams in the playoffs.

Doesnt win finals MVP because someone else had a 38 point loss in the series.

Hes then said to not be the teams leader/best player/whatever.

The DPOY...is also his teams leading scorer in the playoffs...and has the least off games...the only one of the big 3 who played better in the playoffs than regular season.

But he didnt lead his team to a title.

Its just a joke. If KGs first half destruction of the Lakers in game 6 to open up the lead wasnt a snatch the ring "This is MY time!" moment nothing ever was.


He led that team. Period. The other players were calling him the best leader they ever saw from day one. Doc pretty much said he changed everything about their lockerroom. KGs intensity and defense meant more to that team than anything. And he led them in scoring too...

But he didnt lead the team......

[SilkkTheShocker]

Most people ignore the fact that Minny's FO was not much better than the current Knicks' FO. Not to mention the Joe Smith fiasco. The one time KG had even decent help, Minny was two wins from making the Finals and having home court in it. Cassell getting hurt cost the T-Wolves a Finals appearance and possibly a title.

And KG never lost in the first round with a 67 win team.

Did you see the roster of that team Dirk to 67 wins? Until the 09 Cavs, they were easily the worst 67 win team ever in terms of talent. They choked, no one is denying that. But KG was too busy not making the playoffs in his prime at the time. With Dirk you are guaranteed 50 wins and playoff every season. (not counting this strike-shotened season). People talk about how great KG is as a 2 way player, but the man missed the playoffs in his prime 3 times in a row. No way does that happen with Dirk.

[SilkkTheShocker]

And why do people keep saying Dirk's teams were built to suit him? Until 2010, that wasn't even close to true. Did people not notice Raef Lafrentz, Shawn Bradley, and Calvin Booth starting at center next to Dirk? Or how about when they tried to use a frontcourt of Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, and Dirk? Yea, thats really building around Dirk to his strengths Did people forget before Marion and Butler showed up the Mavs were regularly destroyed by opposing wing players and got not post scoring from their centers? Dirk's teams were far from stacked.

[kentatm]

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I forgot to add that KG has never lost as the favorite either. Every time KG was suppose to win a playoff series, he got the job done. Dirk? We all heard of what happened in the 1st round in 2007 and the Finals of 2006.

The Mavs weren't a clear cut favorite going into the 06 Finals at all.


and any person who actually paid attention to basketball knew Avery made a mistake of massive proportions when he foolishly gave up the chance to knock GS out of the playoffs the last day of the season that year. It wasn't an upset at all regardless of the seeding.

GS had been murdering Dallas for quite a while at that point. It was something like 3 seasons running they had the Mavs number. They were perfectly constructed to take out Dallas but Avery in his hubris thought he could out coach the guy who taught him how to coach and helped create Dirk. On top of that, the dumbass decided to dump the one single advantage they had, their size at the C spot, and placed Devean f-ing George at C to try and match the run and gun style of GS even though they had not played that type of ball for nearly two years and didn't have the PGs to do it.

[noosaman]

Probably not. Why would they? That Mavs team was built around Dirk's strengths.

Would Dirk be able to take Minny's supporting cast in '04 to the Conference finals? With guys like Sprewell, Hudson, Cassell and Szczerbiak?

Absolutely. He won a ring with a bunch of 3rd and 4th options.

[noosaman]

lol using people's logic there then Lefraud has choked 3 times already (boston, mavs, and magic) to dirk's 2, so lefraud is worse than both dirk and garnett

[Rubio2Gasol]

And why do people keep saying Dirk's teams were built to suit him? Until 2010, that wasn't even close to true. Did people not notice Raef Lafrentz, Shawn Bradley, and Calvin Booth starting at center next to Dirk? Or how about when they tried to use a frontcourt of Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, and Dirk? Yea, thats really building around Dirk to his strengths Did people forget before Marion and Butler showed up the Mavs were regularly destroyed by opposing wing players and got not post scoring from their centers? Dirk's teams were far from stacked.

Lmao, Dampier was a great lowpost defender

Harris and Howard were one of the best defensive combos in the league....Howard was actually a pretty amazing player in his day, Howard is actually a criminally underrated player.

Stack was the one particularly poor fit.

[SilkkTheShocker]

lol using people's logic there then Lefraud has choked 3 times already (boston, mavs, and magic) to dirk's 2, so lefraud is worse than both dirk and garnett

Lebron didn't choke in 09. In the 2011 Finals? Most definitely. And he was awful in game 5 of the 2010 playoffs. Dirk is one of my favorite players, but he definitely choked in 07. Evev if his team wasn't as good as people pumped them up to be.

[noosaman]

Lmao, Dampier was a great lowpost defender

Harris and Howard were one of the best defensive combos in the league....Howard was actually a pretty amazing player in his day, Howard is actually a criminally underrated player.

Stack was the one particularly poor fit.

Dampier guarded guys like duncan and shaq well but that 04-05 postseason was comical. He couldn't stay on the floor for more than 2 minutes without picking up fouls. He eventually got replaced by Diop thats right Diop in big moments in 05-06, thats how bad he was.

Howard was good but had horrendous court vision and was selfish on offense.

They were still worse than Cassell and Sprewell who Garnett worked with.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lmao, Dampier was a great lowpost defender

Harris and Howard were one of the best defensive combos in the league....Howard was actually a pretty amazing player in his day, Howard is actually a criminally underrated player.

Stack was the one particularly poor fit.

Dirk wasn't a fan of playing with Harris. Plus, Harris got his handed by anyone he was guarding during the 07 playoffs. Howard was a good player, but calling him "amazing" is a little much. Injuries limited him over the years. Stackhouse was wasn't a bad fit. They could have used a slasher over him, but he was a better fit than Jamison.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Dirk wasn't a fan of playing with Harris. Plus, Harris got his handed by anyone he was guarding during the 07 playoffs. Howard was a good player, but calling him "amazing" is a little much. Injuries limited him over the years. Stackhouse was wasn't a bad fit. They could have used a slasher over him, but he was a better fit than Jamison.

You think KG was a fan of playing with Sprewell and Sczerbiak?

That was a pretty good team man , anyway you cut it and it was accommodating to Dirk for the most part.

Better than KG's definitely, Cassel was a reliable player, but the rest of those guys just had a very bad team dynamic, KG was feuding with Wally and Sprewell was...well Sprewell.

[Legends66NBA7]

I asked this question in the Top 11-20 players thread as well... Which Maverick teams had the most talent during the 2000's ? Also, which years were they considered the clear cut best ?

[Stuckey]

i dont care, i'm taking KG any day