How many assists and rebounds is the equivalent of a 20 point game?

[fpliii]

so after checking a couple of other years quickly to figure out which end of the range to go with, my bottom line is

p/r/a
0/0/0
10/4/2
20/9/5
30/15/10
40/20/15
50/25/20
60/30/25 (from 85-86 to the present, there have been 16 60+ point games, 12 24+ assist games, 14 30+ rebound games; these are all outliers and the data is noisy, so I think it's fair to place the cutoffs there for neatness' sake)

[bmd]

so after checking a couple of other years quickly to figure out which end of the range to go with, my bottom line is

p/r/a
0/0/0
10/4/2
20/9/5
30/15/10
40/20/15
50/25/20
60/30/25 (from 85-86 to the present, there have been 16 60+ point games, 12 24+ assist games, 14 30+ rebound games; these are all outliers and the data is noisy, so I think it's fair to place the cutoffs there for neatness' sake)

Can you give me a link to where you found the stats? I'd like to look around for a bit and maybe add steals and blocks.

[bmd]

so after checking a couple of other years quickly to figure out which end of the range to go with, my bottom line is

p/r/a
0/0/0
10/4/2
20/9/5
30/15/10
40/20/15
50/25/20
60/30/25 (from 85-86 to the present, there have been 16 60+ point games, 12 24+ assist games, 14 30+ rebound games; these are all outliers and the data is noisy, so I think it's fair to place the cutoffs there for neatness' sake)

To test this, I just found the thread called "Better near quadruple-double performance in the NBA Finals". The first post compares 3 performances:

Bill Walton, 1977 Finals Game 6
20 points 23 rebounds 7 assists 8 blocks - 8/15fg 4/5ft

Shaquille O'Neal, 2001 Finals Game 2
28 points 20 rebounds 9 assists 8 blocks - 12/19fg 4/10ft

Tim Duncan, 2003 Finals Game 6
21 points 20 rebounds 10 assists 8 blocks - 9/19fg 3/5ft


Blocks on those are identical, so it doesn't matter that we didn't figure those.

So point-wise, taking into account points, rebounds, and assists:

I divided 9 rebounds into 20 points to get 2.2222222 "points" per rebound. And divided 5 into 20 to get 4 "points" per assist. This is using the standard that 20 points = 9 rebounds = 5 assists. Is this an okay way to do it? Can rebounds and assists be broken down to a per point basis? Anyway, here is what I figured:

Bill Walton: 20+51.111111+28 = 99.111111

Shaquille O'Neal: 28+44.4444444+36 = 108.444444

Tim Duncan: 21+44.4444444+40 = 105.444444


Therefore, Shaq had the best performance, followed by Duncan, and then Walton.


Now, you can still argue over efficiency of their performances... but as far as "difficulty" of the stats to achieve, Shaq's performance was the most difficult to achieve.

[bmd]

I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to break it down on a per point basis. There would have to be a chart where you'd search for the number of rebounds you are looking for to find the point equivalent, since the numbers don't increase at the same rate.

[fpliii]

Can you give me a link to where you found the stats? I'd like to look around for a bit and maybe add steals and blocks.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pgl_finder.cgi

select 'Total Games' at the top, and '2011-12' under 'Seasons' at the left

after this, choose the amount in question and enter at the right

for example, here's the results page for 20+ points after you hit 'Get Results', click 'Make Tiny URL' at the top to condense):

http://bkref.com/tiny/bkoUq

next, click on share, and X out all of the columns except for 'Count'

now click on csv

copy and paste this into a text editor that lets you output csv (I use 'Tex-Edit Plus' on my mac...on a PC I think you can save it as a .txt in Notepad, and just change the extension on the desktop)

click 'Next page' at the bottom of the results page on BBR, and repeat the above steps until you have all the data for your query

save the file

open the file in Excel/Numbers or your spreadsheet program of choice

everything should be in one column, so just add one row at the bottom saying '=SUM(A1:Axxx)', where xx is the last row of data (don't worry about deleting text, the parser will ignore it and only read numerical data)

hit enter and you have your total

[Pushxx]

People aren't considering how assists help your team's flow and chemistry. Helps get players going. Intangible benefit of assists.

[fpliii]

I'm guessing it doesn't make sense to break it down on a per point basis. There would have to be a chart where you'd search for the number of rebounds you are looking for to find the point equivalent, since the numbers don't increase at the same rate.

perhaps, but the list above should suffice for the most part

here are the block numbers as a bonus:

0+ (11238)
1+ (6728) - 2+ (2346)
2+ (2346) - 3+ (882)
3+ (882) - 4+ (267)
6+ (35) - 7+ (16)
9+ (4) - 10+ (3) - 11+ (1)
12+ (0)

[andgar923]

People aren't considering how assists help your team's flow and chemistry. Helps get players going. Intangible benefit of assists.

this

[fpliii]

lastly, here are steals

0+ (11238)
1+ (9792) - 2+ (3639)
2+ (3639) - 3+ (1154)
3+ (1154) - 4+ (330)
5+ (88) - 6+ (19)
8+ (4)
9+ (0)

pretty exhausting stuff, no clue why BBR doesn't allow a direct search for this

[DKLaker]

an assist is not as hard as 2 points

its really up to the other guy to make the shot

an assist is valuable. but only if your spoon feeding the other guy


most assists come on a guy hitting a tough shot... only 1-2 times a game will a point guard absolutely make a guy get a wide up dunk right under the rim

magic was so valuable back in the 80's because he did this like 8 times a game


nobody in todays league comes close to spoon feeding like magic did

THIS

Magic's assists were REAL assists........I wish they would change the stat and stop giving out assists for just any old common pass. Rebounding too, I like the guys who go get the ball, hustle rather than the big guys who just stand around and grab what they can relying completely on height.

[ILLsmak]

you can't compare 20 points to 20 points, let alone 20 points to 10 assists, because stats have no tangible value. They are a record of what happened and many things can lead to those outcomes.

There are opposites, also, that you are not taking into account. Allowing rebounds/loose ball fouls, turnovers, missed shots.

This topic sounds like a good idea to discuss, but it's really nonsense.

-Smak

[fpliii]

lol someone negged me for doing this research at the OP's request?

at least leave your name, some pretty pathetic stuff

[Horde of Temujin]

You motha****as are trying to bring moneyball to the NBA.

Kudos. Interesting stuff.

[KevinNYC]

well, if we're talking about in terms of frequency:

in 2012 the average team scored 96.3 points a game, grabbed 42.2 rebounds, and 21.0 assists

source

meaning that, roughly:

20 points * (42.2 rpg / 96.3 ppg) = 8.76 rebounds

20 points * (21.0 apg / 96.3 ppg) = 4.36 assists

if you're talking about in terms of 'value', you'd have to run a regression on the entire dataset of individual games to come up with the matching points at which rebounds and assists equate the correlation to a win as 20 points (but that wouldn't be a true relationship or have any predictive value, just a summary of the results)

I was hoping someone would run the stats. Another way to look at it is how often does a single player score 20 points and then compare that to the other two stats. So of the XXXX number of games played in 2012 how often did a player score 20 points or get 10 rebounds or 10 assists.

[fpliii]

I was hoping someone would run the stats. Another way to look at it is how often does a single player score 20 points and then compare that to the other two stats. So of the XXXX number of games played in 2012 how often did a player score 20 points or get 10 rebounds or 10 assists.

lol I also did that exact search for assists, rebounds, blocks, steals (in terms of frequency compared to 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 points), check out the last couple of pages