Kobe / Lebron fans: Do you feel that the 2012 Heat title should be asterisked?

[CavaliersFTW]

Why are you looking for specifically Kobe fans responses? What does he or his fans have to do with this? You will be only looking for butthurt opinions with the risk of turning this into yet another Lebron vs Kobe flamewar...

Why is this even a question anyways unless you yourself consider it is an asterisk? Why? Everybody had to go through what Miami went through, a grueling schedule, injuries and competition... Miami came out on top and would have won no matter what scenario you would create, they (and specifically Lebron) was not gona be denied...

I'm impartial, I don't think about an asterisk - and I'm also interested in Lebron fan opinion here not just Kobe fan. You called me out on the flamewar thing though.

Since this thread clearly has failed I'll come clean - basically - a flame war is what I was looking for - my plan was to keep u guys in here contained and distracted for long enough so that other ISH posters can go about their business in other threads and enjoy this coming weekend while all the LeKobe stans were busy fighting in this one but all the true Lakers / Heat / impartial fans flooded this thread and ruined it with wisdom before the Kobe fans and Lebron fans even had a chance to spark a fight.

Shame on you ISH, you should have left this trap alone.

[pauk]

I'm impartial, I don't think about an asterisk - and I'm also interested in Lebron fan opinion here not just Kobe fan. You called me out on the flamewar thing though, basically - a flame war is what I'm looking for - my plan was to keep u guys in here contained and distracted so that other ISH posters can go about their business in other threads while your all fighting in this one but all the Lakers / Heat / impartial fans flooded this thread and ruined it with wisdom before the Kobe fans and Lebron fans had a chance to spark a fight.

Shame on you ISH, you should have left this trap alone.

I see... :)

[Whoah10115]

Why would OP want to start one of these, when these things are exactly what suck so much?



Seriously, this should be closed?

[CavaliersFTW]

Why would OP want to start one of these, when these things are exactly what suck so much?



Seriously, this should be closed?

To keep them contained here and out of other threads - seemed like a good idea to me

[keepinitreal]

Hmmm. The amount of games played during the regular season has changed over the years... it was less back in the 60s and 70s, and I'm guessing it will change again in the future.

I wouldn't give it an asterisk because all of the teams and stars had their shot at it this year and the playoff format was legit. Game 2 vs Boston Celtics had some missed calls that favored Miami, but I don't think that it was enough to say it was fixed.

[Whoah10115]

To keep them contained here and out of other threads - seemed like a good idea to me

You think that will happen?

[red1]

it's not the fact that they had the same shortened season as every other team. It's not the fact that they still had to win 16 games in the playoffs.

It's the fact that the season was 66 games starting in January. What other NBA seasons have games that are not 82? Yeah.. just a few since the merger. Since 66 is different from 82 games in the other 30+ years, it's different, therefore *

basically, just because it was DIFFERENT from the USUAL NBA REGULAR SEASON.

note- I'm not a kobe fan btw. I just believe in the asterisk.

Phong you have literally exhausted every avenue you could use to discredit the heat winning this year. You complained about the lockout season, you complained about the refereeing, you complained about the players colluding to stack the team, and I am sure I am missing a shitload of your other complaints.

Even though your post about the asterisk season seems reasonable there is no way I can take it at face value because you have never posted anything on these forums that didn't support your agenda of kobe>lebron. Why do you think there should be a asterisk on this season? Do you think the champion heat had an unfair advantage this season that other champions didn't? Is 20 less regular season games really worthy of an asterisk?

Ultimately it all comes back to your lebron obsession/hatred. Remember how excited you got after the 2011 finals? Remember all the bullshit you were spouting all summer long? "Lebron will never win a championship, Lebron is a mentally weak quitter." This is what you were posting almost verbatim. After all of that blew up in your face this is the final thing you can cling to. Don't play dumb phong, you know what an asterisk means in sports. An asterisk is how you discredit something and this is the final option to maintain the anti-lebron and anti-heat delusions you have.

Let it go bro. Heat won, Lebron won, and none of that shit reflects poorly on kobe, and I don't know what it is on earth that makes you think so. Just let it go. This venomous hatred is probably not good for your health and it most definitely is not a good use of your energy. Just let it go.

[crisoner]

No....

The Heat had to face the same challenges that every other team had.
If it was a full season with full training camps I would argue the outcome could of been different because players would of have been in shape etc. And those three games in a row schedules killed a lot of players as well.
But to put a * on the Heat's title would just be some dumb hater sh*t.
They earned it the title straight up. It was just a different kind of year on when they won it.

[CavaliersFTW]

You think that will happen?

Well now we'll never know, everybody who wasn't a Lebron / Kobe fan came in here with logic and reasoning and ruined the opportunity

[hawke812]

No need for an asterisk. Every team had the same short season, and same amount of chances (games) in the playoffs.

[guy]

it's not the fact that they had the same shortened season as every other team. It's not the fact that they still had to win 16 games in the playoffs.

It's the fact that the season was 66 games starting in January. What other NBA seasons have games that are not 82? Yeah.. just a few since the merger. Since 66 is different from 82 games in the other 30+ years, it's different, therefore *

basically, just because it was DIFFERENT from the USUAL NBA REGULAR SEASON.

people are thinking the asterisk is to differentiate from the other teams in the 2012 season, no. There is no need to differentiate the heat.
What we need to differentiate is the 2012 season from the other regular seasons. Not that there is any negative connotation, but just to signify that there is a difference, and there is, by fact.




note- I'm not a kobe fan btw. I just believe in the asterisk.

The majority of NBA seasons have not been 82 games + 4 playoff rounds with all of them being best of 7. There's been plenty of seasons that were less then 82 games, less then 4 rounds, and/or with series that were best of 5 or best of 3. Should we asterisk the majority of seasons?

If you're not trying to apply some negative connotation to it, there's absolutely no reason to asterisk it.

[kNicKz]

Do extreme Lebron fans?

[Mr. Jabbar]

it was a shortened season for every team so thats void. I do hate the way refs were favoring them though, pretty nasty. Game 1 against knicks is the most blatant rig i've seen since the 2002 lal/sac series.

[kNicKz]

Game 1 against knicks is the most blatant rig i've seen since the 2002 lal/sac series.

I know heat fans that said the refs favored them, I feel like the reason lebron fans are aggressively boastful about him is because they know deep deep down that it was getting harder and harder for the NBA to market a guy that kept getting beasted by ancient squads like the mavs and celtics so stern went in (just a theory). He is the best player in the world, but the combinations of skills of those teams were clearly superior to bosh/lebron/wade

[che guevara]

it was a shortened season for every team so thats void. I do hate the way refs were favoring them though, pretty nasty. Game 1 against knicks is the most blatant rig i've seen since the 2002 lal/sac series.

Wait, you actually think the refs rigged a 33 point blowout? Are you that ****ing stupid?