1970 NBA Finals Game 7 breakdown - Jerry West sucks

[Obama=ROY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMp7c2bcfkk

Stole this thread from r***gm. Does anyone know that Jerry West couldn't dribble left handed? This just proves that those were the weak era of NBA. As to be expected though, since earlier form of anything usually is.

[Psileas]

Why is Wade in his 8th season in the league and is still unable to hit an outside shot with some consistency? Seems like this is also a weak era of the NBA, but this is to be expected, as it's still an early form of the league and it won't be able to hold a candle to the 2030-2040 NBA.

[Batz]

Did you watch the entire video? Because he can dribble left handed He just chooses not to. He can also dribble under pressure, as you can see if you watched the entire video.

[Obama=ROY]

Why is Wade in his 8th season in the league and is still unable to hit an outside shot with some consistency? Seems like this is also a weak era of the NBA, but this is to be expected, as it's still an early form of the league and it won't be able to hold a candle to the 2030-2040 NBA.

Those aren't even the same level. Dribbling with both hands is basic guard requirement while shooting from outside depends on one's style. But it might be right that today's NBA is weak compared to future NBA and those from the 60s are even weaker.

[d.bball.guy]

TheMiz

[Papaya Petee]

Why is Wade in his 8th season in the league and is still unable to hit an outside shot with some consistency? Seems like this is also a weak era of the NBA, but this is to be expected, as it's still an early form of the league and it won't be able to hold a candle to the 2030-2040 NBA.

Why can Wade slash to the hoop, create contact, and finish with both hands better than anyone else in the league?

[Harison]

Another troll bites the dust in the ignore list, bye bye OP

[Psileas]

Those aren't even the same level. Dribbling with both hands is basic guard requirement while shooting from outside depends on one's style. But it might be right that today's NBA is weak compared to future NBA and those from the 60s are even weaker.

A) Shooting for a guard is not a basic requirement in your opinion? Then, no wonder this era should be considered weak. But, similarly to your view, didn't it matter to you that West maybe could dribble with both hands, and it's just that it wasn't a basic requirement of his era?

B) Dennis Johnson was a below average dribbler and he played in the 70's-80's. Mark Jackson as well (plus, he was very slow, thus being called "the turtle"), and he played in the 80's-90's. If they played in West's time, people today would claim that in more modern leagues they would get their pockets picked in one possession after another.

C) If by claiming that West's era was weaker, you imply that we shouldn't care about it, then we'd also better ignore today's NBA, knowing that the NBA of the 2030's/2040's will be better. You are excluded however from this rule if you are over 65-70 or you have been diagnosed with some serious condition or you consider suicide...

Why can Wade slash to the hoop, create contact, and finish with both hands better than anyone else in the league?

Irrelevant with what I said. Why could West hit the outside shot, disrupt offenses with his team defense and steals, pass as well as few, draw lots of fouls and take over games in clutch situations at an all-time level?

[Obama=ROY]

A) Shooting for a guard is not a basic requirement in your opinion? Then, no wonder this era should be considered weak. But, similarly to your view, didn't it matter to you that West maybe could dribble with both hands, and it's just that it wasn't a basic requirement of his era?

B) Dennis Johnson was a below average dribbler and he played in the 70's-80's. Mark Jackson as well (plus, he was very slow, thus being called "the turtle"), and he played in the 80's-90's. If they played in West's time, people today would claim that in more modern leagues they would get their pockets picked in one possession after another.

C) If by claiming that West's era was weaker, you imply that we shouldn't care about it, then we'd also better ignore today's NBA, knowing that the NBA of the 2030's/2040's will be better. You are excluded however from this rule if you are over 65-70 or you have been diagnosed with some serious condition or you consider suicide...

A) What? Wade can shoot consistently, only not from 3 pt range. Anyone can dribble with their left, just maybe not very good at it. Which is why West didn't do it.
B) which is why DJ and Mark Jackson weren't superstars.
C) No one knows if the NBA future will be better or not. And that implication is only in your head.

[Psileas]

A) What? Wade can shoot consistently, only not from 3 pt range. Anyone can dribble with their left, just maybe not very good at it. Which is why West didn't do it.

So, you gave a kind of an answer to your question. He was a great player. Doesn't mean he was great everywhere.

B) which is why DJ and Mark Jackson weren't superstars.

No, the main reason they weren't superstars is that simply they weren't overall great enough at basketball to be. They weren't great shooters, they weren't overly athletic (although prime DJ was pretty athletic, and he was a multiple-time All-Star), Jackson wasn't anything special defensively, they weren't versatile enough to play multiple positions, they didn't have a scorer's mentality, a will to dominate (by "dominate", I don't necessarily mean "dominate the ball"), etc.

C) No one knows if the NBA future will be better or not. And that implication is only in your head.

Unless knowledge and technology for some reason stop or start going backwords or people stop dealing with basketball, it's a pretty safe assumption to make.

[Obama=ROY]

So, you gave a kind of an answer to your question. He was a great player. Doesn't mean he was great everywhere.



No, the main reason they weren't superstars is that simply they weren't overall great enough at basketball to be. They weren't great shooters, they weren't overly athletic (although prime DJ was pretty athletic, and he was a multiple-time All-Star), Jackson wasn't anything special defensively, they weren't versatile enough to play multiple positions, they didn't have a scorer's mentality, a will to dominate (by "dominate", I don't necessarily mean "dominate the ball"), etc.



Unless knowledge and technology for some reason stop or start going backwords or people stop dealing with basketball, it's a pretty safe assumption to make.

Not really. Not able to dribble with his left was a pretty basic flaw. No one's perfect, but there are requirement to make today's NBA that weren't the standards then. Especially make it as a superstar. The standard is higher today.

About future NBA, assumptions is just assumptions. that implication is only in your head. College basketball is far weaker than NBA but many still care about it.

[jlauber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMp7c2bcfkk

Stole this thread from r***gm. Does anyone know that Jerry West couldn't dribble left handed? This just proves that those were the weak era of NBA. As to be expected though, since earlier form of anything usually is.

My god, it took Frazier six games in that series to finally figure out that West could not dribble with his left hand? Because before that sixth game, West was TORCHING him, by averaging 33 ppg against him. And don't forget that Frazier was a first-team defender.

And, evidently, West was able to get by his ENTIRE HOF career without being able to dribble with his left hand, too.

I get so sick-and-tired of reading this crap, and I'm sure many here are getting sick of reading one of my responses to this "weak" era, but here goes...

How do we explain Kareem, at age 39, and WAY past his physical peak, pouring in games of 35, 42, and 46 points (on 21-30 shooting) against Hakeem in the 85-86 season? Or shredding Ewing in the same season with a 40 point performance, while holding Patrick to 2-16 shooting? Of course, maybe the OP doesn't consider Hakeem a HOF center, either. BUT, if he doesn't, then what do we make of Shaq, whom many claimed that Hakeem outplayed in the '95 Finals (I am not one of them BTW)?

Now consider the fact that a statistically prime Kareem struggled mightily against Thurmond in his last two playoff series (11 games) and only shot .405 and .428 against him in those two series (and in his '71 playoff series against him, he only shot .486.) Or that Wilt held Kareem to .464 shooting in their 28 H2H games? And, that both Thurmond and Wilt were well past their primes (and Wilt played the last 27 games against Kareem on a surgically repaired knee)?

Rick Barry averaged 35.6 ppg in the 66-67 season, on .451 shooting, and then averaged 30.2 ppg on .464 shooting in the 74-75 season...or nearly a decade later, and against a new crop of players...many of whom would go to dominate players that played in the 80's.

MJ, in his 40's, was able to score over 50 points in a game in the 2000's. Does that mean that the players of the 00's were much worse than those of the 90's?

[TheMiz]

TheMiz

Sadly that thread got deleted. Pathetic. Took some time to write

[jlauber]

BTW, how did 6-8 Dennis Rodman win SEVEN rebounding titles in an era of players like 7-1 David Robinson, 7-0 Patrick Ewing, 7-1 Shaq, and with many players 7-2+? Or how did 6-7 Ben Wallace win two rebounding titles in the 00's and in a league filled with seven-footers? Or the fact that Shaq, at 7-1 and 325+lbs never won ONE rebounding title? Does that mean that the eras that Rodman and Wallace played in were "weak" rebounding eras?

And how did Shaq manage to dominate the entire NBA for the better part of his career, without being able to shoot from 8 ft away? Must have been a pretty weak defensive era when a player that can't shoot wins scoring titles, leads the league in FG% TEN times, and wins four rings.

[Round Mound]

John Stockton could barely dribble with his left hand. As Maradona said: "The Ball is One, Not Two."