Foreskin> No Foreskin?

[Timmy D for MVP]

I have to be honest guys.

This thread is not only retarded, but fairly gay.

[LJJ]

there IS a valid reason you just don't accept it...how about you call up a US doctor and ask them? After they tell you the same things I do you can then tell them they are wrong, perhaps you will spark a new trend and change cawks in the US forever!

I remember the other day you said American kids are on more medicine than European kids because of a shittier healthcare system. But I guess US healthcare is only shittier and more profit-focused when it fits your argument?

The vast majority of doctors in the developed world do absolutely not recommend circumcision for medical reasons.

[-p.tiddy-]

I remember the other day you said American kids are on more medicine than European kids because of a shittier healthcare system. But I guess US healthcare is only shittier and more profit-focused when it fits your argument?

[COLOR="Red"]The vast majority of doctors in the developed world do absolutely not recommend circumcision for medical reasons[/COLOR].

link?

[LJJ]

link?

What do you mean link? It's not commonly practiced in most developed countries, so obviously doctors aren't recommending it.

What, you really think every time in Germany a baby is born and the doctor goes up to the parents and say "We really recommend you to have your son circumcised for health reasons" and the parents respond no in overwhelming fashion? Your common sense is failing here.

Even in America your medical professionals don't officially endorse a recommendation. They only say it should be the parent's decision.

[-p.tiddy-]

What do you mean link? It's not commonly practiced in most developed countries, [COLOR="Red"]so obviously doctors aren't recommending it. [/COLOR]

What, you really think every time in Germany a baby is born and the doctor goes up to the parents and say "We really recommend you to have your son circumcised for health reasons" and the parents respond no in overwhelming fashion? Your common sense is failing here.

Even in America your medical professionals don't officially endorse a recommendation. They only say it should be the parent's decision.

no that isn't obvious at all

and there are PLENTY of developed countries that preform it...and there are also plenty of doctors in the US that do endorse it, obviously leaving it up to the parents though.

here is a LINK for you:

http://www.circinfo.net/rates_of_circumcision.html


and here is another link for you, use it please:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1598&bih=876

[Loneshot]

I have to be honest guys.

This thread is not only retarded, but fairly gay.

I'm convinced most men are secretly gay and just supress it. You ever go to a forum where posting porn is allowed? Take Joe Rogan board, most of the porn posted (vids or gifs) are of money shots where the guy's junk is the main thing visible on the screen.

[-p.tiddy-]

yes, if you talk about pe[COLOR="Black"]ni[/COLOR]ses that means you are gay...obviously

everyone in this thread is gay...if you opened this thread you're gay

[LJJ]

no that isn't obvious at all

and there are PLENTY of developed countries that preform it...and there are also plenty of doctors in the US that do endorse it, obviously leaving it up to the parents though.

here is a LINK for you:

http://www.circinfo.net/rates_of_circumcision.html


and here is another link for you, use it please:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1598&bih=876

More recent numbers:

"The World Health Organization has estimated that 664,500,000 males aged 15 and over are circumcised (30% global prevalence), with almost 70% of these being Muslim."

In case your math skills aren't keeping up: it's less than 10% if you take out the Muslims and the Jews. Or in your own words: PLENTY.

[-p.tiddy-]

and there are a lot of undeveloped countries out there LJJ, and people without health insurance

it's 90% here in the US, where I live, and yes I know many of our doctors may be to quick to throw out meds, but still better than most of the world.

[LJJ]

and there are a lot of undeveloped countries out there LJJ, and people without health insurance

it's 90% here in the US, where I live, and yes I know many of our doctors may be to quick to throw out meds, but still better than most of the world.

Yet the countries which are front runners when it comes to public health, where in most of them a procedure like this would be completely free, barely practice circumcision.

[-p.tiddy-]

Yet the countries which are front runners when it comes to public health, where in most of them a procedure like this would be completely free, barely practice circumcision.

the reasons that parts of Europe are hailed for having great health care is because it is available to more people...in the US it is hard to get good health care...NOT because the doctors or better, or the schools are better...

[kNIOKAS]

no that isn't obvious at all

and there are PLENTY of developed countries that preform it...and there are also plenty of doctors in the US that do endorse it, obviously leaving it up to the parents though.

here is a LINK for you:

http://www.circinfo.net/rates_of_circumcision.html


and here is another link for you, use it please:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1598&bih=876

how about this link?

http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm

Boom. A whole collection of studies for your reading pleasure.


And why are you (or primetime for that matter) using the fact that circumcision can prevent HIV infection during sex as a reason to circumcise babies? Ridiculous. Babies shouldn't be having sex in the first place. By the time this becomes an issue they should be able to decide for themselves, why take away that right?

[LJJ]

the reasons that parts of Europe are hailed for having great health care is because it is available to more people...in the US it is hard to get good health care...NOT because the doctors or better, or the schools are better...

Still doesn't explain why when it comes to circumcision France, Germany, Italy, UK, Japan, Sweden etc etc, the medical experts all independently agree with each other, while the US can only really find companions in the likes of Saudi Arabia and Turkey.


But alas. I just know you are going to stick your head in the sand to any other opinion at all regardless of evidence.

Letting a man decide for himself really has no downsides other than maybe a week of discomfort in the absolute worst case scenario. All the supposed health benefits, all the supposed other benefits of circumcision are still perfectly within arms reach for any man with his foreskin. Just like all the supposed benefits of keeping the foreskin remain within arms reach.
But still it's completely unreasonable to say that having two options is better than having only one option. Obviously.

[-p.tiddy-]

how about this link?

^^^

Site looks fishy as hell, I'm not going to argue there.

[-p.tiddy-]

Still doesn't explain why when it comes to circumcision France, Germany, Italy, UK, Japan, Sweden etc etc, [COLOR="Red"]the medical experts all independently agree with each other[/COLOR], while the US can only really find companions in the likes of Saudi Arabia and Turkey.


But alas. I just know you are going to stick your head in the sand to any other opinion at all regardless of evidence.

Letting a man decide for himself really has no downsides other than maybe a week of discomfort in the absolute worst case scenario. All the supposed health benefits, all the supposed other benefits of circumcision are still perfectly within arms reach for any man with his foreskin. Just like all the supposed benefits of keeping the foreskin remain within arms reach.
But still it's completely unreasonable to say that having two options is better than having only one option. Obviously.

you don't know this you are just making it up...just because the culture over there doesn't do it does NOT mean the doctors are against it, it just means society over there doesn't do it generally...I guarantee you the majority of them probably don't see it as a big deal either way

and there ARE downsides to letting that wait till adulthood...you are the one being hard headed in not accepting them