Do you feel too many unqualified students are entering colleges?

[christian1923]

Who cares if students can't do basic math off the top of thier head. Google or YouTube will answer their problems in 5 minutes.

[Dresta]

sorry but you just dont know what you are talking about. You spew alot of shit that doesnt correlate in reality. Industries like computer science dont have the time to train people to professional standards, these are businesses of industry, not businesses of schools. 2-3 years spending money to train an employee base and culling out the unfit is not possible nor efficient otherwise they would be doing it now. The influx of students relying on universities for a career path is beyond what the job market offers. however, it would even be a greater problem if 98 percent of those intellectually "ungifted" college students were sent to trade schools or community colleges. the trade job market would be over flooded and those graduates would again suffer from low salary or unemployment. and the jobs that would have been filled by your intellectually ungifted university student is now unfilled and stalls the growth of the industry it is in. The demand and supply for industry jobs always balance themselves out. Imagine if the tech industry didnt have the surplus or even adequate amount of university students in the 90s and 2000's studying computer science, that industry would not be here where it is today.

BTW, guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs wernt intellectually gifted. but they built their empires based on the opportunities their universities gave them. Just being "intelligent" doesnt cut it, you have to have more talents and skills than just intelligence to be someone that leads in society, and by your idealogy, youd be culling the only people to learn in universities that wouldnt beable to lead in the real world.

This post really is one massive pile of bullshit. There literally isn't a single remotely accurate assertion in the whole thing. Computer Science is apparently an 'industry' in your poor deluded mind. You see this?:

'Industries like computer science dont have the time to train people to professional standards, these are businesses of industry, not businesses of schools. 2-3 years spending money to train an employee base and culling out the unfit is not possible nor efficient otherwise they would be doing it now. The influx of students relying on universities for a career path is beyond what the job market offers.'

That makes no sense, grammatically, syntactically, or logically - it is like someone just vomited onto your keyboard. Look how uneducated you are: you can't even string a sentence that makes sense together, and yet here you are, lecturing other people about education (when you clearly have none, and have no experience in higher education) - you're a real fruitcake man.

And Steve Jobs was a college drop out; he didn't get any of his opportunities from his university:

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Steve-...ing-to-college

However, whether he attended college is largely moot with regard to his success as an entrepreneur, as college does not prepare one for entrepreneurship. This timeline of Jobs' career has several clues to the source of his knowledge: How Steve Jobs Started - The Life Of Apple's Founder. Note that his father taught him electronics and his mother taught him to read, both at early ages. Not only are these relevant skills for his future path, but more importantly, he one can infer that a love of learning and creativity were instilled in him as core values when he was growing up.

Instead of spending his formative years satisfying the requirements of a college degree, Jobs embarked on some pretty deep exploration of himself and the world, including auditing creative classes at Reed, experimenting with psychedelic drugs, taking up Zen Buddhism, and traveling to India.

After this explorative phase of his life, he returned to his home, which just happened to be a bastion of the early computer revolution. There were already many startup and established computer companies in the Silicon Valley at that time. Jobs found a job with one of these early computer companies, Atari, and had only to turn to high school friends and neighbors to find partners (Fernandez, Wozniak) with deeper technical skills when he launched Apple Computer.

What Steve Jobs brought to Apple Computer and his other ventures was creativity and a way of seeing possibilities that others could not see. If anything, his lack of a technical education made this possible, because he was not limited by what the engineering establishment at the time said was possible. He had just enough technical background to communication with engineers, along with an intuition for usability that is rare among engineers. So he immediately saw the importance of the keyboard and CRT display that Wozniak had hacked together as a debugging aid. Later, since Jobs enjoyed listening to music and was frustrated by the early "walkman" type of portable CD players, he came up with the idea of the iPod.

Steve Jobs' creativity and sheer gumption, rather than knowledge, was the key to his success.

None of this required expensive and frivolous University courses to be taught to a ridiculous percentage of the population. And anyway, when compared with people like you Steve Jobs was a first-class genius, and it seems as if his parents were as big an influence as any, and there were certainly many more important factors than formal schooling (in fact, almost all intelligent high-achievers say what they learnt at college did next to nothing for their intellectual development). This is a very common theme, and you'd know it, if you were capable of reading something written by such people.

You're a bloody joke dude. If you think the above paragraph of yours makes the slightest bit of sense, or contains coherent logic of any kind, then you are very much mistaken.

[Jameerthefear]

damn nathan SHIT on dresta
the old college dropout got BTFO

[theballerFKA Ace]

In certain ways I think kids today are smarter than the past generation. And also I think more blame should be put on schools because its not the students fault what they are learning and how.

Everyone except for Asians are getting dumber. It's the only demographic that appreciates success and condemns failure. Hispanics in the US especially, have seen enormous drops in IQ and test results. They used to be closer to whites in testing, now they are closer to blacks.

[Nick Young]

If anything it is the opposite. I bet law and med degrees are a lot easier to obtain in India and China than here. I went to a dentist office and walked out of the room because of how clueless the "doctor" was. Not sure if he was middle eastern or Italian but no way in hell he would made the grade at a university here.

in most cases, yes, even in countries like India and China, the university degree course is actually more vigorous and difficult than its US equivalent, atleast in the top Chinese and Indian schools, not bootleg scam ones..