Most underrated player on ISH is none other than ------------------------------------

[NumberSix]

How many great centers had he dominated throughout his career? Not old man Hareem, not young Yao, who else did I leave out?

How many "great" SGs did Michael Jordan dominate?

[JerryWest]

What the he'll was God thinking when he created Shaq? Did he even consider anyone's safety? Or at least make our butt holes bigger?

[DCL]

shaq was the beast of beasts.

high octane diesel tank, say your prayers cuz you ain't got no chance, type of player.

the other elite players are top skilled players, but if basketball was war, they kill you by sharp shooting you to death or with a plethora of weapons in strategic fashion. attacking you with some of this and some of that and keep you guessing what's next. they play the game like chess pieces. fully armed with different tactics and stealth trickery.

but shaq? you know what the hell he's giving you and you still can't stop that sh!t.

da motha****a just drops megaton bombs on your ass all day. what r u gonna do??? you can expect him to catch the ball, bump you with the shoulder, and dunk on your ass on this play, the next play, and the play after that. you know he ain't ever taking no fking jumper, but what r u gonna do bout it??? coaches just give up and put 3 guys on him and hack him to stop him from scoring.

watching shaq play was like watching a gorilla rape a man. there's almost no hope for the other guy.

[wagexslave]

He was past his prime on the Suns, flat out sucked for the Cavs/Celtics, and he sucks on TNT. All of these years of him just being a mediocre goofball makes me forget about the amazing/dominant prime Shaq and think of him as the goofy/sh*tty old Shaq. I need to go back and watch some Shaq highlights to remember the beast beasting.

[comerb]

Nobody underrates Shaq you tard

[Deuce Bigalow]

Because Shaq with 4 MVP, and 3 Finals MVP is greater than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.

What you don't understand is that those great seasons still happened by Shaq, it doesn't matter that the media didn't give him the award. He still had great seasons. Just because the media didn't give him the award he gets ranked lower?

[Deuce Bigalow]

gasol and kobe were alot more closer statistically than kobe and shaq

in 2010 playoffs gasol even had a higher winshare than kobe

Shaq and Kobe's ppg difference in the 01 & 02 Playoffs was 1.0 and 1.9 in favor of Shaq.
Kobe and Gasol's ppg difference in the 09 & 10 Playoffs was 11.9 and 9.6 in favor of Kobe.
Shaq and Kobe each led the team in scoring in half the playoff series in 01 & 02.
Kobe in 09 & 10 led the team in scoring in every playoff series.

So no.

Clyde Drexler had a higher WS than Hakeem in the 95 Playoffs, while Robert Horry was within .3 of Hakeem

95 Playoffs:
Drexler 3.0 ws, .167 ws/48
Hakeem 2.8 ws, .143 ws/48
Horry 2.5 ws, .142 ws/48

[Legends66NBA7]

And more comments posted clearly makes my point for me that Shaq isn't underrated.

Nobody who gets ranked high all-time and have a knowledge on how great his game was is underrated. The players who are actually underrated on ISH are the ones that don't get talked about enough or are forgotten about despite great stats and accomplishments.

[aau]

Shaq and Kobe's ppg difference in the 01 & 02 Playoffs was 1.0 and 1.9 in favor of Shaq.
Kobe and Gasol's ppg difference in the 09 & 10 Playoffs was 11.9 and 9.6 in favor of Kobe.
Shaq and Kobe each led the team in scoring in half the playoff series in 01 & 02.
Kobe in 09 & 10 led the team in scoring in every playoff series.

So no.

2009 .......... 1stR .......... 2ndR ........... WCF ............ F

kobe ........ 27/5/5 ........ 27/5/4 ........ 34/6/6 ....... 32/5/7
pau ......... 18/9/1 ........ 18/12/2 ...... 17/12/3 ...... 18/9/2

pt diff ......... 9 ................. 9 ............. 17 ............. 14

.

2010

kobe ....... 23/4/4 ......... 32/4/6 ........ 33/7/8 ....... 28/8/4
pau ........ 18/12/3 ....... 23/14/3 ....... 19/7/3 ...... 18/11/3

................... 5 ................ 9 .............. 14 ........... 10

.

2000

shaq ....... 29/17/3 ...... 30/16/2 ....... 26/12/4 ..... 38/16/2
kobe ........ 28/4/4 ........ 21/4/3 ........ 20/5/6 ....... 15/4/4

................... 1 ................ 9 ................ 6 ............ 23

[Whoah10115]

2009 .......... 1stR .......... 2ndR ........... WCF ............ F

kobe ........ 27/5/5 ........ 27/5/4 ........ 34/6/6 ....... 32/5/7
pau ......... 18/9/1 ........ 18/12/2 ...... 17/12/3 ...... 18/9/2

pt diff ......... 9 ................. 9 ............. 17 ............. 14

.

2010

kobe ....... 23/4/4 ......... 32/4/6 ........ 33/7/8 ....... 28/8/4
pau ........ 18/12/3 ....... 23/14/3 ....... 19/7/3 ...... 18/11/3

................... 5 ................ 9 .............. 14 ........... 10

.

2000

shaq ....... 29/17/3 ...... 30/16/2 ....... 26/12/4 ..... 38/16/2
kobe ........ 28/4/4 ........ 21/4/3 ........ 20/5/6 ....... 15/4/4

................... 1 ................ 9 ................ 6 ............ 23

So you just agreed with him, as he never argued what you're arguing? Are you that useless?

[aau]

So you just agreed with him, as he never argued what you're arguing? Are you that useless?

what are you talking about

it confirms deuce's statement

[pegasus]

The problem with Shaq is he did it at a time where there were no great centers. He didn't win it in Orlando with a very good supporting cast. Plus his team was swept so many times before the threepeat.

This is true. It shows the importance of having a superstar teammate like Kobe who could finish games better than he could. That's not to take away from Shaq's brilliance tho. He was an absolute beast for so many years and one of the best centers of all time.

[Whoah10115]

what are you talking about

it confirms deuce's statement

So you're arguing with him, for Bryant?

[pegasus]

2009 .......... 1stR .......... 2ndR ........... WCF ............ F

kobe ........ 27/5/5 ........ 27/5/4 ........ 34/6/6 ....... 32/5/7
pau ......... 18/9/1 ........ 18/12/2 ...... 17/12/3 ...... 18/9/2

pt diff ......... 9 ................. 9 ............. 17 ............. 14

.

2010

kobe ....... 23/4/4 ......... 32/4/6 ........ 33/7/8 ....... 28/8/4
pau ........ 18/12/3 ....... 23/14/3 ....... 19/7/3 ...... 18/11/3

................... 5 ................ 9 .............. 14 ........... 10

.

2000

shaq ....... 29/17/3 ...... 30/16/2 ....... 26/12/4 ..... 38/16/2
kobe ........ 28/4/4 ........ 21/4/3 ........ 20/5/6 ....... 15/4/4

................... 1 ................ 9 ................ 6 ............ 23

Kobe was injured in the Pacers series. The difference would not have been 23 had he been healthy. The first three rounds give you a better picture.

[ShaqAttack3234]

People never seem to understand stuff like this. I'm not saying the poster's point wasn't a valid talking point, but when people just to evaluate things based on bottom lines, they always go into "He lost this many times in the Finals" and, conversely, "He never lost in the Finals"...like what, would you rather lose early? Apparently, that helps a career.

Yeah, there's really no logic behind those sort of things. If two players have 3 rings, and one has two additional finals appearances, is the player who has never lost in the finals more accomplished? I'd say the opposite.

Championships are very difficult, and do require a certain amount of luck(the difference between the '02 and '03 Lakers was Horry's shot in game 4 vs the Kings and Horry's 3 rimming out the following year in game 5 vs the Spurs) Not to mention injuries, and early upsets because of unique match up problems. With every team competing for the same thing, you can't win every year. But if you contend pretty much every year and go deep into the playoffs, that in itself says a lot about the player. Of course to get into certain company, you have to win some in this sport.

Nobody wants to be Jim Kelly and the Bills, but I see no reason additional deep playoff runs aren't impressive.

Shaq is not even close to being underrated.

Nobody questions that he was he man on his championship teams in 00-02, or that he was the best player at one point, or that he deserved his MVP awards.

On the other hand I've heard the opposite for Kobe. I've seen posters claim Pau was the second best player in the world in 2010, was the real finals MVP, was the best player on the championship teams. They actually think Pau ****ing Gasol was actually better! Who gets this underrated? Also heard Kobe didn't deserve his MVP award and that he was never the best player in the game at any point when you got countless numbers of players saying he was the best, including the players they were saying that we're better than him.

I've seen posters claim Kobe was the man on the '01 and '02 Lakers too. At least as many as I've seen claim Pau was the man in '10. It's a different set of posters of course with a different agenda, but both are the minority.

Most know that Kobe was the man on the '09 and '10 Lakers.

gasol and kobe were alot more closer statistically than kobe and shaq

in 2010 playoffs gasol even had a higher winshare than kobe

No, they weren't closer statistically, and who cares if they were? Shaq and Kobe were closer statistically in '01 and '02 than Kobe and Gasol were. They were also closer as players, though not necessarily in terms of value because of how the teams were built. Kobe was essential to the 3peat Lakers like Gasol was to the back to back titles, but Kobe was the superior player.

By the way, if you care so much about garbage stats like win shares, you might be interested to know that Kobe's win shares were better than Shaq in the '01 playoffs. Oh, and Clyde Drexler's win shares were better than Hakeem in the '95 playoffs.