Smoking nicotine increases brain power, boosts attention, motor skills...

[HylianNightmare]

Just smoke weed

[32MJ32]

"Tobacco in snus is steam pasteurized, a process that kills microbes that create some of the cancer-causing toxins. There is little to no risk of lung cancer. Researchers have not found an increase in oral cancer among snus users. One study found that snus users have a risk for pancreatic cancer of 8.8 cases per 100,000, compared with 3.9 cases per 100,000 for non-users of tobacco. However, smokers had the highest risk, at 13 per 100,000. Thus switching from smoking to snus reduces risks for all forms of cancer."

http://ataca.org.au/?page_id=112

Snus makes you twice as likely to get pancreatic cancer than if you don't smoke. It's in no way "good for you" or problem free.

It's better than cigarettes - of course it is. Cigarettes are the ****ing worst.

"I've got something that's better than the worst thing you can possibly do to yourself - quick everyone, empty your wallets" <-- Snus commercial

[joe]

Its prob just a matter of intesity. Meth and whatnot are too power to focus in on something like work while nicotine highs are controllable.

That sounds possible. My thought is that the dangers of cigarettes have ruined nicotine's reputation, which is kind of a small tragedy if you think about it. I've always loved the feeling of nicotine and it's nice to see some science to back that up. Nicotine to me could be viewed very similarly to how we view caffeine, but it's been all entangled with the hazards of cigarette smoking.

If (big if potentially) electric cigarettes can prove to be fairly safe, if not extremely safe, it'll be interesting to see if nicotine can make a mainstream comeback, similar to caffeine. Right now it seems impossible because culturally blowing a white cloud out of your mouth is seen as an abomination. But if the white cloud is (hypothetically harmless) vapor, could that change? Hm.

[Norcaliblunt]

The bottom line is bro, if you have to depend on a substance, you are seriously disconnected from your own intuition, and that is a bad thing. You have a natural creative force given super sensibility if you know how to tap into the right energies. Just because some substances like coffee, and etc. are socially acceptable doesn't make them good for you, especially when they are chronically used. Nicotine is highly addictive, so why would you want to PAY for whatever benefit comes from it when you can reach it naturally. We don't need any more cooperations pushing chemicals on the populous through insane marketing, completely disconnecting people from their own god given capabilities. Man up, and stop relying on external means.

[joe]

The bottom line is bro, if you have to depend on a substance, you are seriously disconnected from your own intuition, and that is a bad thing. You have a natural creative force given super sensibility if you know how to tap into the right energies. Just because some substances like coffee, and etc. are socially acceptable doesn't make them good for you, especially when they are chronically used. Nicotine is highly addictive, so why would you want to PAY for whatever benefit comes from it when you can reach it naturally. We don't need any more cooperations pushing chemicals on the populous through insane marketing, completely disconnecting people from their own god given capabilities. Man up, and stop relying on external means.

I don't see it that way, as "depending on a substance." Smoking to me is just something fun to do that I enjoy. My enjoyment of it was severely hindered by the smell/health effects, so switching to electric only makes me enjoy it that much more. I don't see smoking as interfering with any sort of natural capabilities I may have. I think that's more propaganda that even smokers have bought into over the years. I smoke because I enjoy it, plain and simple. Would you tell anyone else to quit vitamins, supplements, eating certain foods they enjoy, etc? No, but all of those things are also putting substances into the body. Where does eating right fit into this equation? Is that also using healthy food as a crutch? The line between nicotine and everything else I listed seems blurry.

And you mention them not being healthy, well, that's the issue that interests me. Because if you google "positive effects of nicotine," you do find some pretty awesome things.

[bmd]

http://dengulenegl.dk/English/Nicotine.html

^^If you non-smokers can't get through that whole article, there might be a good explanation- you need some nicotine. Numerous studies show that nicotine intake, even among non-smokers, increases work productivity, concentration levels, brain power, and several other brain-related things. I've known this for years as a smoker. Every time I was having trouble writing, or getting through a school assignment, I'd light up a cigarette. Gets me right back on track.

Since birth most of us have been told all the negatives about cigarettes, and there are quite a few. But the positives need to be shown. Smokers don't just smoke because they're addicted, cigarettes give people real benefits. Including fighting against Alzheimers and Dimensia. Look it up.

So now we've got electric cigarettes. I quit Newports for e-cigarettes, and I must say it's the best decision I've made in a while. But even still, despite not having any tobacco or carcinogens, we have people wanting to ban them from public places, treat them just like cigarettes. I truly believe a lot of this comes from a misunderstanding about nicotine...

People frequently see me smoking electric, and are like, "so when are you going to quit?" I say, never! Why should I? "The nicotine, it's gotta be bad for you still....." Ughhhh

I really hope you non-smokers can lighten up on this issue, because I'd love to bring my electric cigarette into work with me. Sitting at a desk for 8 hours would be 100x more manageable without dealing with nicotine withdrawal. Mmm

Should people be blowing big vapor clouds into your face while you're walking down the street? Hell no. But puffing away in the office corner, keeping it on the down low? Come on guys, work with me here..

Some people are allergic to cigarette smoke. My mom is one of them.

So until you can figure out a way to consume nicotine without putting cigarette smoke in the air, you're going to have to **** off.

[bmd]

And you mention them not being healthy, well, that's the issue that interests me. Because if you google "positive effects of nicotine," you do find some pretty awesome things.

I can google "positive effects of heroine" and I'm sure I can find plenty of sources.

That means nothing.

You are looking for justification for your unhealthy habit.


I don't care what you put in your body, but you are only fooling yourself by saying smoking is good for your health.

[Norcaliblunt]

Would you tell anyone else to quit vitamins, supplements, eating certain foods they enjoy, etc? No, but all of those things are also putting substances into the body. Where does eating right fit into this equation? Is that also using healthy food as a crutch? The line between nicotine and everything else I listed seems blurry.

Yes, I would tell them the same thing as well. The vitamin, supplement, weightlifting industry is one of the worst. Lol. It's straight up preying upon peoples insecurities. If people go crazy, and are obsessed about eating healthy in the name of body worship, then yes it's bad, and they are out of touch with the true meaning of life. If people are physically addicted to eating unhealthy food it's a bad thing. They have lost control. The same goes for watching porn, wacking off, having sex, working, posting on an NBA forum, etc., etc. the lists goes on and on.

The substances or activities in and of themselves may not be the worst of things, but the addiction is. No matter what the addiction may be. If you can quit this very second, and go long periods of time without any stress or withdrawal then you're fine, but constantly seeking pleasure from external things is a sign of disconnection.

I will say this though, if you or anybody enjoys whatever they are doing that much, to each his own, and keep doing you want to do. Don't kill yourself trying to quit. Especially if it's for somebody else. Do what you gotta do or whatever you feels right.

The problem I see with this thread is that it reeks with denial and self justification, while also trying to persuade others that it's ok too. If you really didn't give a shit, or weren't concerned about the habit, you would have never made a thread like this one. Bottom line.

[joe]

Yes, I would tell them the same thing as well. The vitamin, supplement, weightlifting industry is one of the worst. Lol. It's straight up preying upon peoples insecurities. If people go crazy, and are obsessed about eating healthy in the name of body worship, then yes it's bad, and they are out of touch with the true meaning of life. If people are physically addicted to eating unhealthy food it's a bad thing. They have lost control. The same goes for watching porn, wacking off, having sex, working, posting on an NBA forum, etc., etc. the lists goes on and on.

The substances or activities in and of themselves may not be the worst of things, but the addiction is. No matter what the addiction may be. If you can quit this very second, and go long periods of time without any stress or withdrawal then you're fine, but constantly seeking pleasure from external things is a sign of disconnection.

I will say this though, if you or anybody enjoys whatever they are doing that much, to each his own, and keep doing you want to do. Don't kill yourself trying to quit. Especially if it's for somebody else. Do what you gotta do or whatever you feels right.

Well at least you're consistent. I see denying yourself external pleasures is missing a big chance in life. Nicotine, marijuana, alcohol.. to basketball, videogames.. some of my best life experiences involved external things. I can say I'm addicted to playing basketball in the summer.. I don't see it as a negative at all.

The problem I see with this thread is that it reeks with denial and self justification, while also trying to persuade others that it's ok too. If you really didn't give a shit, or weren't concerned about the habit, you would have never made a thread like this one. Bottom line.

Ehh, no. Two reasons for this thread. 1) Because that article I read was just awesome, and I was feeling in a talkative (typeitive?) mood and wanted to share. 2) I tacked on the end about electric cigarettes because there is a lot of ignorance about them, point blank. Even from me less than a year ago. And I think they unfairly get lumped in with tobacco smoking, and all the endless hatred that gets. Which I also think is nimwitted. People probably eating nasty food and never exercising getting on other people for smoking. Lmao. I've always thought cigarettes were a bad habit, even when I smoked them, but I would never judge people for doing it to the extent so many others do. Cigarette haters to me are 100x worse than cigarette smokers. I'd rather cigarette smoke blown in my face than have to hear a cigarette hater on his high horse.

And it does effect me, because you're starting to hear calls for more regulation and generally treating e-cigs like cigarettes- but they're two entirely different products. They both contain nicotine, and they both cause you to blow a white cloud out of your mouth.. and that's where the similarities end. It just shows the shallow mindedness of people to connect two things that have way more differences than similarities. And I was basically reaching an olive branch out to you cigarette haters to say... reserve your judgment on these electric ones! That's all my friend. No anger meant to be incited, I enjoyed reading your points of view above.

[joe]

I can google "positive effects of heroine" and I'm sure I can find plenty of sources.

That means nothing.

You are looking for justification for your unhealthy habit.


I don't care what you put in your body, but you are only fooling yourself by saying smoking is good for your health.

Well technically I no longer smoke, I VAPE. But it sounds weird to use that term. Smoking entails the use of fire, whereas my device just heats up a metal coil turning water/nicotine/flavering into vapor.

But alas.

[JerryWest]

I vape too, it's a huge trend here also.

[Kblaze8855]

I smoke because I enjoy it, plain and simple.

You enjoy it because you are a drug addict with a chemical addiction to a brain altering stimulant just like all the people on crack.

But so many more people are addicted to smoking that making it illegal is seen as a freedom issue when telling people not to use other drugs isnt.

Would you tell anyone else to quit vitamins, supplements, eating certain foods they enjoy, etc? No, but all of those things are also putting substances into the body. Where does eating right fit into this equation? Is that also using healthy food as a crutch? The line between nicotine and everything else I listed seems blurry.

Many times ive been blown away by the shocking awfulness of your arguments but that might really be the most amazing paragraph ive ever read.

Far as this:

Cigarette haters to me are 100x worse than cigarette smokers. I'd rather cigarette smoke blown in my face than have to hear a cigarette hater on his high horse.

So its 100x worse to work to reduce drug addiction and public drug use than to promote the use of that drug as you do? Smoking has killed millions of people....many of them addicted on purpose...by companies that knew they were addictive and hid it for decades.

Companies giving candy flavored cigarettes away in the 3rd world getting people hooked for life....working with candy companies here making hush hush deals that promised no lawsuits for the candy companies making candy cigs in boxes that copied the real ones. Out here destroying the lives of whistleblowers sick of lying about dying babies and birth defects....

My stepfathers mother had a hole in her throat and an oxygen tank from before I ever met her...the quality of life smoking puts onto people...often good people who are just addicted at too young an age to know better...

The shit is a shame. I can honestly say id trade 5 years of my own life if I can make sure my kids never get caught up in that.

I remember when my aunt was dying and I was too young to understand why she wouldnt just stop. My mom explained it but not very well. It made her upset to talk about it.

Ive smoked. I was a dumbass kid like we all were at one point. Ive even smoked an electric one...and I mean...today. Oddly enough a friend of mine decided to buy one and he left it here for a while. Pushed the button...smoked it. Just curious.

Its like nothing is in there. Just water and some kinda mintish flavor. I felt nothing.

But thats because im not a drug addict. He does feel something.

And the things are expensive. You ca get a couple newports for a dollar in the hood. Someone gets hooked on the electric ones...eventually they will need their drug and get it from some guy with one lit.

Drug addiction is never good. You can compare it to eating right if you like....but if everyone eats right the world is a lot healthier and better off. Everyone gets addicted to drugs....what good could come of it?

[Norcaliblunt]

Well at least you're consistent. I see denying yourself external pleasures is missing a big chance in life. Nicotine, marijuana, alcohol.. to basketball, videogames.. some of my best life experiences involved external things. I can say I'm addicted to playing basketball in the summer.. I don't see it as a negative at all.



Ehh, no. Two reasons for this thread. 1) Because that article I read was just awesome, and I was feeling in a talkative (typeitive?) mood and wanted to share. 2) I tacked on the end about electric cigarettes because there is a lot of ignorance about them, point blank. Even from me less than a year ago. And I think they unfairly get lumped in with tobacco smoking, and all the endless hatred that gets. Which I also think is nimwitted. People probably eating nasty food and never exercising getting on other people for smoking. Lmao. I've always thought cigarettes were a bad habit, even when I smoked them, but I would never judge people for doing it to the extent so many others do. Cigarette haters to me are 100x worse than cigarette smokers. I'd rather cigarette smoke blown in my face than have to hear a cigarette hater on his high horse.

And it does effect me, because you're starting to hear calls for more regulation and generally treating e-cigs like cigarettes- but they're two entirely different products. They both contain nicotine, and they both cause you to blow a white cloud out of your mouth.. and that's where the similarities end. It just shows the shallow mindedness of people to connect two things that have way more differences than similarities. And I was basically reaching an olive branch out to you cigarette haters to say... reserve your judgment on these electric ones! That's all my friend. No anger meant to be incited, I enjoyed reading your points of view above.

Please don't call me a cigarette hater. I used to smoke, and realize that there are all sorts of things killing people, or stripping persons of their natural intuition, unhealthy foods full of chemicals being one of the largest, so an anticigarette crusade at this point in time is rather futile in the larger scheme of things IMO. I agree that nicotine vapor, and tobacco are two different animals. My posts have been about addiction, and why are people so disconnected from there own abilities to be great, without having to abuse or overuse all the substances being thrown at us left and right. I never said to deny yourself of pleasure. I was making the point that if you are constantly seeking pleasure through repetitive action, or in this case repetitively using a chemical substance to enhance your brain power, you may be out of touch with your true self, and what it's really like to be alive. You mention playing basketball, and that is a good example of something where you can naturally attain a higher feeling. As long as your doing it for the right reasons, and not knowingly destroying your body or life while playing. If it comes to point where the activity has broken you down to where it is messing up your life, or you need knee replacements, and you still can't quit then that might be a problem. The fact you said playing in the "summer" is telling, because most addictions are not seasonal. In conclusion I feel everybody has free will to do whatever they want to themselves. If they choose to use nicotine, marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, play video games, workout all the time, there can definitely be some positives along with negatives, and it is up the person to listen to their inner self to guide them to what is right.