Jermaine O’Neal had MORE All Star selections than Reggie Miller

[Lebron23]

Sucks that injuries ruined his career in his late 20's.. Hopefully the Pacers retire his jersey number

[Lebron23]

[L.Kizzle]

Also had a higher peak with a top 3 MVP and All-NBA 2nd Team selection while leading Pacers to 61 victories (best in the league in 2004.)

[Kblaze8855]

All star voting East guards for Reggie’s age 25 to 28 seasons(so…prime)

EAST
GUARDS	TM		VOTES
Michael Jordan	CHI	S	1,217,429
Isiah Thomas	DET		493,414
Joe Dumars	DET	S	391,638
Reggie Lewis	BOS		227,570
Muggsy Bogues	CHA		219,615
Ledell Eackles	WAS		197,530
Alvin Robertson	MIL	R	162,421
Mark Price	CLE		159,697
Doc Rivers	ATL		140,909
Maurice Cheeks	NY		138,686

EAST
GUARDS	TM		VOTES
Michael Jordan	CHI	S	1,049,573
Isiah Thomas	DET	S	549,546
Michael Adams	WAS	R	489,291
Reggie Miller	IND		301,701
John Paxson	CHI		226,930
Kenny Anderson	NJ		205,647
Dee Brown	BOS		199,468
Mark Jackson	NY		176,122
Reggie Lewis	BOS	R	152,158
Joe Dumars	DET	R	144,202

EAST
GUARDS	TM		VOTES
Michael Jordan	CHI	S	1,035,824
Isiah Thomas	DET	S	397,747
Jeff Hornacek	PHI		346,793
Mark Price	CLE	R	327,964
Muggsy Bogues	CHA		284,838
Reggie Lewis	BOS		214,372
Joe Dumars	DET	R	181,253
Drazen Petrovic	NJ		151,239
Reggie Miller	IND		126,515
Nick Anderson	ORL		126,067

EAST
GUARDS	TM		VOTES
BJ Armstrong	CHI	S	529,065
Kenny Anderson	NJ	S	493,690
Mark Price	CLE	R	423,179
Stacey Augmon	ATL		401,703
Mookie Blaylock	ATL	R	390,433
Nick Anderson	ORL		361,200
Isiah Thomas	DET		358,736
Joe Dumars	DET		340,581
Jeff Hornacek	PHI		327,965
Derek Harper	DAL-NY		313,679

[Kblaze8855]

The way people who largely either didn’t exist or were four at the time talk you would imagine the much more knowledgeable coaches would rectify such an “error” but no. The coaches poll took Mookie, Hersey Hawkins, Alvin Robertson, Michael Adams, and Ricky Pierce.

The fans and the coaches were simply not as impressed as people not around at the time would think.

[L.Kizzle]

Reggie has literally become the most overrated player EVER.
Interesting little tibit. His first year eligible for the Hall of Fame, he didn't make the ballot. He didn't even get enough vote just to be on the ballot to not get picked.

[pandiani17]

Jermaine O'Neal was one of my favorite players in the early 2000s. He completely dominated the Eastern Conference frontcourt players (Mutombo, Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, Ilgauskas, Antoine Walker, Kenyon Martin, etc.) between 2000-2005, then he had a bad injury and became a shell of his former self. I don't think the Pacers will retire his jersey, though, his name is associated with the Palace brawl and they don't want to know anything about what happened there.

And moving to Reggie Miller it's crazy the amount of disrespect he got from opposing coaches, I am glad he made them pay for it come playoff time. For me, if you count the playoffs, he was the third best SG of the 90s behind MJ and Drexler.

[FultzNationRISE]

The way people who largely either didn’t exist or were four at the time talk you would imagine the much more knowledgeable coaches would rectify such an “error” but no. The coaches poll took Mookie, Hersey Hawkins, Alvin Robertson, Michael Adams, and Ricky Pierce.

The fans and the coaches were simply not as impressed as people not around at the time would think.

People rarely receive an accurate assessment in the moment.

Nobody thought MJ was the GOAT when he was 25-28. That narrative came along way after. A lot of people didnt consider Tom Brady the GOAT until he won somewhere besides New England at 42 years old.

When youre ahead of your time, you rarely get full appreciation at the time youre active.

People now look at how far ahead of his time Reggie was, and probably fault his team for not using him better, rather than him for not being dominant enough. Guys who played like Miller became more and more dominant with time, which is a big reason Miller’s value has appreciated in hindsight.

[Kblaze8855]

A lot of people thought Jordan was the greatest of all time when he was 25 to 28. Not like one or two. Him being the best player anyone had ever seen was a fairly common thing to hear. And it was like 2003 or 2004 on here when people would be downright upset if you didn’t have Tom Brady as the greatest of all time. I was in those arguments.

A bunch of people born in 1995 simply do not have a better idea who was great in 1992 than the coaches from 1992. They just don’t. Even if a modern fan knows and loves Reggie from clips and reading about him it doesn’t do shit to tell him about Alvin Robertson or the other guards being evaluated at the time.

Guy is just much bigger in retrospect when we are decades removed from fans wondering why he wasn’t doing anything than he was at the time. It happens. It’s rare but it does happen.

People get blown up by stories, clips, and narratives. Pippen is talked about more than David Robinson these days and he was a gigantic deal at the time.

People paint the past the way they wanted it to be because so many don’t know what it was.

[FultzNationRISE]

A lot of people thought Jordan was the greatest of all time when he was 25 to 28.

That was just Lebron haters, they did not actually believe that.

[Im Still Ballin]

The truth stings like Muhammad Ali.

[L.Kizzle]

People rarely receive an accurate assessment in the moment.

Nobody thought MJ was the GOAT when he was 25-28. That narrative came along way after. A lot of people didnt consider Tom Brady the GOAT until he won somewhere besides New England at 42 years old.

When youre ahead of your time, you rarely get full appreciation at the time youre active.

People now look at how far ahead of his time Reggie was, and probably fault his team for not using him better, rather than him for not being dominant enough. Guys who played like Miller became more and more dominant with time, which is a big reason Miller’s value has appreciated in hindsight.

Nobody catapults David Thompson to the top for being a front-runner.

[ShawkFactory]

People rarely receive an accurate assessment in the moment.

Nobody thought MJ was the GOAT when he was 25-28. That narrative came along way after. A lot of people didnt consider Tom Brady the GOAT until he won somewhere besides New England at 42 years old.

When youre ahead of your time, you rarely get full appreciation at the time youre active.

People now look at how far ahead of his time Reggie was, and probably fault his team for not using him better, rather than him for not being dominant enough. Guys who played like Miller became more and more dominant with time, which is a big reason Miller’s value has appreciated in hindsight.

I think that one was pretty much sealed after 28-3. You might have had a couple haters or contrarians who would claim otherwise but those people likely never would be convinced anyway.

[tpols]

People rarely receive an accurate assessment in the moment.

Nobody thought MJ was the GOAT when he was 25-28. That narrative came along way after. A lot of people didnt consider Tom Brady the GOAT until he won somewhere besides New England at 42 years old.

When youre ahead of your time, you rarely get full appreciation at the time youre active.

People now look at how far ahead of his time Reggie was, and probably fault his team for not using him better, rather than him for not being dominant enough. Guys who played like Miller became more and more dominant with time, which is a big reason Miller’s value has appreciated in hindsight.

Not only that but those are all regular season awards, where as Reggie was known to step his game up in the playoffs... production and clutch wise.

It's like Westbrook winning MVP over Curry and Lebron, or one of the million other examples of a regular season award winner not being nearly as good as the players he beat for it.

Embiid getting MVP over Jokic last year is another great example.

Appeal to authority... never gets old.

[tpols]

Also had a higher peak with a top 3 MVP and All-NBA 2nd Team selection while leading Pacers to 61 victories (best in the league in 2004.)

The Pacers in 2004 made the ECFs... only time they made it that far with Jermaine as best player.

The Pacers with Reggie as their best playoff performer made the ECFs 4 times and the Finals once. Their playoff successes and productions aren't even close.

Using All Star games to determine how good someone is might be the weakest way of evaluating a player to player comparison.