its funny how duncan fans are all saying "if duncan wins, hes better than kobe"

[mugiwara]

The fact the at duncan has won throughout the years with different teams being the one constant player i find very impressive, you could argue it to be pop.. very easy you could argue that but id say winning five championships as a vital piece (assuming they win this year) between 1999 and 2013 is absolutely incredible.

[Magic 32]

Kobe Bryant’s 2000 NBA Finals averages (5 games):

15.6 points per game

4.3 rebounds per game

4.2 assists per game

44.2 minutes per game

41.25 field goal percentage

Lebron is in his prime.

And the last time I checked, his ankle is not sprained.

[ripthekik]

i have no problem putting duncan above kobe if he wins this year. What's the big deal anyways, Kobe is still safe in the top 10.

While that other guy drops way out

[kennethgriffin]

If you're not counting a potential 2013 ring for Duncan then Kobe's 2000 ring should be voided:

Kobe averaged 15.6 ppg in the 2000 Finals on 36% shooting
Duncan's averaging 15.6 ppg in the 2013 Finals on 46% shooting

Even more impressive for Duncan since he's 37 years old and playing against the 66 win defending champs(with an excellent 7.03 SRS rating). The 2000 Lakers played the 56 win Pacers(only a mediocre SRS of 4.16) and Kobe still played like shit in the Finals.

kobes 2000 average isnt even valid due to missing an entire game due to injury.. and coming out of another game after the 1st 2 minutes


i look at playoff averages... especially since the early 2000's was all about the western confrence. the nba finals was a joke back in the day. the lakers had a harder time in round 1 vs sacramento with a 5 game series

[KG215]

and last time i checked

kobe beat duncan 4 times in the playoffs. duncan only beat kobe 2 times

kobe won more titles

kobe has more all nba 1st teams

kobe has more defensive 1st teams

kobe has a better average

kobe has more total points

kobe has more game winning shots

kobe has duncans career high by half time

kobe has the sports illustrated player of the decade award

kobe has the sporting news player of the decade award

kobe has the tnt player of the decade award

kobe has the dime magazine player of the decade award

kobe has more 60 point games than duncan has 50 point games

kobe has more 50 point games than duncan has 40 point games

kobe has more 40 point games than duncan has 30 point games

kobe has a higher average as a 21 year old than duncans ever had in his entire life

kobes a three peat champion......... duncan never did it

kobes a repeat champion........duncan never even did that

kobe went to 3 straight finals .........TWICE.... duncan never even went to 2 straight finals once

Some of these things are very subjective and really don't mean shit. But it's you, so it's not a surprise.

duncan isnt even his teams 2nd best player in the finals this year

Yeah, let's just ignore his defensive impact.

sorry bro... 15ppg is something kobe averaged as a 6th man... duncan does it in a staring role...

This is such flawed reasoning but, again, it's you, so I'm not surprised. Why does it matter their team role in the Finals if they both average 15 PPG? And Kobe wasn't the 6th Man in 2000, he started all 22 playoff games he played.

5 titles and 7 finals > 4 titles in 5 finals

And 3 Finals MVPs > 2 Finals MVPs. See how easy that is? Not to mention he was still the Spurs best player throughout the entire 2007 playoff run.

duncan never had the pressure of the media/fans on his shoulders. duncans had a care free career of obscurity

So what? What does that have to do with judging who the better player is between the two?

hes never had the type of expectations kobes had

Again, so what?

he never had the bottom feeders best shot all year. the crap teams didnt mark the spurs on their calender like they did with the lakers

And, for the third and last time, so what? What does this have to do with anything? How does something like this mean, Kobe > Duncan ??

the spurs and duncan were an afterthought and they took advantage of it. duncan coasted on other peoples success

kobes never been as insignificant as duncans been offensively over the past 7 years

There's two sides to the floor.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

[KG215]

kobes 2000 average isnt even valid due to missing an entire game due to injury.. and coming out of another game after the 1st 2 minutes


i look at playoff averages... especially since the early 2000's was all about the western confrence. the nba finals was a joke back in the day. the lakers had a harder time in round 1 vs sacramento with a 5 game series

So basically you just move the goalposts to fit your agenda. Got it.

[Chicago Ted]

and last time i checked
...yadda yadda kobe is the man...

And still no coach in the world would pick Kobe over Duncan in his primes.
Dude it's ok if you like kobe (its a bit disturbing that you like him that much but who am i to judge) but you have to understand thet there's nothing wrong if you fav player is not the best ever (or the top 5 ever or wathever).

[SpurrDurr]

While in 2000 Shaq carried a 15 ppg Kobe to the title, the year before Duncan averaged 27 ppg with 14 rebounds, who's the leech?

And all the awards you mentioned are totally irrelevant, give me the player that won more finals and regular season mvps and carried a small franchise to 14th seasons with more than 50 wins.

[KOBE143]

Duncan is the 4th best player in his team.. If he wins, his ring is comparable to Horry.. Nothing special.. He's just ring padding like Horry.. Empty ring..

[crisoner]

Check Kobe vs Duncan's numbers and records vs. each other in the playoffs.

You're Welcome....Kobe wins.

[SpurrDurr]

Check Kobe vs Duncan's numbers and records vs. each other in the playoffs.

You're Welcome....Kobe wins.

Duncan should have asked on draft night to be traded to LA i guess

[Artillery]

kobes 2000 average isnt even valid due to missing an entire game due to injury.. and coming out of another game after the 1st 2 minutes

Duncan's 37 and has two bad knees and still scored the same amount of points per game on better efficiency than Kobe. Your excuses are laughable.

i look at playoff averages... especially since the early 2000's was all about the western confrence. the nba finals was a joke back in the day. the lakers had a harder time in round 1 vs sacramento with a 5 game series

Duncan's 2013 playoff PER: 19.8
Kobe's 2000 playoff PER: 19.3

Duncan's 2013 playoff WS/48: .138
Kobe's 2000 playoff WS/48: .115

[Artillery]

Check Kobe vs Duncan's numbers and records vs. each other in the playoffs.

You're Welcome....Kobe wins.

Nash and D'antoni are 2-0 against Kobe and Phil Jackson. Great argument, brah.

[kennethgriffin]

Nash and D'antoni are 2-0 against Kobe and Phil Jackson. Great argument, brah.

kobe beat great spurs teams

nash and d'antoni beat kwame and smush


you're argument is just about as dumb as lebron james saying jud buechler's rings are just as valuable as bill russells