the reason kobes peak doesn't wow people is because he's been on one ever since 2001

[kennethgriffin]

every other legend has those few years where they get over their career average and reach around 27-28ppg or higher, rarely even 30+ and it lasts for a short time. they might hit a 1st team all nba streak thatel last for a few years. if lucky 4-5 years

this is a regular legends peak..


the reason people say kobes peak was never as shocking is because kobes been on that peak streak for 13 straight years



2001 ( 13 years ago )


28.5ppg, 5.9reb, 5.0ast, 46.4fg% regular season

29.4ppg, 7.3reb, 6.1ast, 46.9fg% playoffs

NBA CHAMPION





13 years later ( age 34 )






27.3ppg, 5.6reb, 6.0ast, 46.3fg%

1st team all nba




kobe never had a 1-2-3 year absolute prime like shaq... where before shaqs 2000 season he was raw and uninspired, lazy and 1 dimensional since 1992. then after 2002 he was lazy, fat, and mostly a 2nd banana


thats why shaq peak is so amazing. it was unexpected. it was out of the ordinary


but with kobe. this is an ongoing thing for 13 years now

11 1st team all nba's during that time. 1 time not making it due to injury


see for a guy like larry bird. he had a 4 year run between 85,86,87,88 where he scored like kobe has been for the last 13 years

he never came close to that level before or after. thats a regular legends peak


kobes never ends

[EnoughSaid]

This doesn't excuse the fact that Kobe's peak isn't as great as the other legends.

[Magic 32]

every other legend has those few years where they get over their career average and reach around 27-28ppg or higher, rarely even 30+ and it lasts for a short time. they might hit a 1st team all nba streak thatel last for a few years. if lucky 4-5 years

this is a regular legends peak..


the reason people say kobes peak was never as shocking is because kobes been on that peak streak for 13 straight years




28.5ppg, 5.9reb, 5.0ast, 46.4fg% regular season

29.4ppg, 7.3reb, 6.1ast, 46.9fg% playoffs

NBA CHAMPION





13 years later ( age 34 )






27.3ppg, 5.6reb, 6.0ast, 46.3fg%

1st team all nba




kobe never had a 1-2-3 year absolute prime like shaq... where before shaqs 2000 season he was raw and uninspired, lazy and 1 dimensional since 1992. then after 2002 he was lazy, fat, and mostly a 2nd banana


thats why shaq peak is so amazing. it was unexpected. it was out of the ordinary


but with kobe. this is an ongoing thing for 13 years now

11 1st team all nba's during that time. 1 time not making it due to injury


see for a guy like larry bird. he had a 4 year run between 85,86,87,88 where he scored like kobe has been for the last 13 years

he never came close to that level before or after. thats a regular legends peak


kobes never ends

Kobe's peak was 06-08.

2001 was kobe first prime year however.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Kobe's career has no peak it's more like a low gently rising hill beneath the summits that are KAJ peak, Jordan peak, and the mother of mountains shaq peak

[kennethgriffin]

This doesn't excuse the fact that Kobe's peak isn't as great as the other legends.

most legends dream to reach a 3-4 year span thats on the level as kobe from 2001-2013


if any other guy had a 3-4 year run of 28ppg, 6reb, 5ast, 1st team all nba

that would be a great accomplishment for them

thats kobes average and norm from 2001 till 2013

[branslowski]

At the end of the day, if most put their hate for Kobe aside, they'll see that there has never been a player as consistently dominant as Kobe over a 10+ year stretch.

[EnoughSaid]

At the end of the day, if most put their hate for Kobe aside, they'll see that there has never been a player as consistently dominant as Kobe over a 10+ year stretch.

How many of those years was Kobe truly the best player in the league?

[KG215]

No, Kobe's had some noticeable dips in some seasons since 2001, and he's had a pretty obvious peak period from about 2006-2009.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's peak was 06-08.

2001 was kobe first prime year however.

peak stats wise. but he only averaged 35ppg cause he played with kwame and smush


kobe averaged 29ppg playing with shaq who also averaged 29ppg

kobe averaged 27ppg playing with pau and howard who combined averaged around 38ppg

if those guys were all kwames kobe woulda averaged 35ppg from 2001 till 2013



peak stats...


kobes changed his game since then. but hes always been an elite all nba top 2-3 player for the last 13 years ( only times he wasnt the absolute best player was during tims prime at a young age for kobe. and during lebrons prime at an old age for kobe. )

[plowking]

How come you didn't leave after you made that fail thread during game 6 of the NBA finals? Laughing at Lebron and the Heat, then Lebron James and Ray Allen make those huge shots, and your thread looks stupid.

I wouldn't have come back to this forum after looking as stupid as you did that day. But then again, you do it to yourself often.

[kennethgriffin]

No, Kobe's had some noticeable dips in some seasons since 2001, and he's had a pretty obvious peak period from about 2006-2009.

only dips were due to injury

minor dip in 2004,2005 from knee/shoulder

minor dip in 2012 from knee

still a 1st team all nba player in 2 of those years. missed too many games in 2005 ( not enough wins either )

[kennethgriffin]

How come you didn't leave after you made that fail thread during game 6 of the NBA finals? Laughing at Lebron and the Heat, then Lebron James and Ray Allen make those huge shots, and your thread looks stupid.

I wouldn't have come back to this forum after looking as stupid as you did that day. But then again, you do it to yourself often.

because the no calls on ginobili and green and ray allen saving lebrons career

its not like lebron redeemed himself

and don't tell me those game 7 wide open dared shots are anything impressive

nobody within 5 feet of him all game...

pop basically handed him the trophy

[Kblaze8855]

Shaq was player of the week his first week in the league and put up 27/14 on 64% shooting by his third month. He had 29/15, 21/19/9 blocks, 24/18/5, 46/21/5 block, 28/14/5, and 30/19 in 6 straight games as a rookie.


In his first 10 games in his season season he put up:


42/12
36/7/5
37/9/4
19/8(massive blowout didnt play much)
21/7/4/4
23/10/5
25/13
41/10
24/28/15 blocks
28/7

Shaq was a 29/13/3 block 60% shooting player his second season. At age 21.

Year 3 he leads the league in scoring and goes to the finals, year 4 he wins 60 games, year 5 its 56, year 7 its 61 and by then its 99 and hes already had a legit HOF career and been named top 50 all time.

This is before 2000.

But that doesnt stand up to Kobes peak...during which he was either #2 to Shaq for years, losing in the first round or missing the playoffs for 4 years, or winning.....in less impressive fashion than Shaq did in his prime.

Shaq was legit HOF level his first week in the league and was MVP runner up 13 years later. Shaq could easily be said to have a 12 or so year prime. Just so happens his peak was on a level its arguable only 1-2 people ever reached so it stands out.

Shaqs 99-02 would stand out in the career of anyone who ever played.

That he wasnt that for 15 years isnt a negative. It means he isnt god.

Kobe wasnt what Shaq was....ever. Which is why his peak is less impressive.

Its impressive. It just isnt shaq.

Almost nobody is Shaq at his peak. And truth is...you can argue for removing that "Almost".

[Unbiased_one]

most legends dream to reach a 3-4 year span thats on the level as kobe from 2001-2013




thats kobes average and norm from 2001 till 2013

You are probably the most delusional person ever...even worse that tonymontana (close though)

[kennethgriffin]

How many of those years was Kobe truly the best player in the league?

depending on if you love or hate kobe. kobes been the best player or arguably the best player along with someone else quite a few times


2001 ( espn said he was the best player. magazine pic in 1st post )
2002 ( top 3 with shaq,duncan )
2003 ( arguable with duncan )
2004 ( injured, but still 1st team all nba )
2005 ( injured )
2006 ( best player by far )
2007 ( best player by far )
2008 ( mvp, arguable with lebron )
2009 ( finals mvp, arguable with lebron )
2010 ( finals mvp, arguable with lebron )
2011 ( top 3 )
2012 ( injured, but still 1st team all nba )
2013 ( top 3 )


kobes been the best or argued as the best 7 times

if your a kobe fan without objectivity. you'l say every year since 2001 till 2010

if your a kobe hater without objectivity. you'l say hes never been the best player


but its obvious with all the great legends and coaches saying kobe was the best player for a good 5-7 years and all the media outlets voting him player of the decade... its obvious anyone with a brain can admit he was the best player atleast for some amount of time.