Jacked-up bodybuilder vs MMA fighter who will win?

[iamgine]

Nooooo. Muggsy has two options...stand out at the three point line and knock down open threes...or run around that pylon for easy lay-ins. The seven footer wouldn't stand a chance. You also gotta keep in mind a the 7-footer would only have 3 months of training, so his shot selection and just overall bball IQ would be novice at best.

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

[Inactive]

Weight differential is a big deal here.


How about a world class smaller guy, like a BJ Penn, facing off against a pro-am level MMA guy who's a heavyweight, like one of those guys who fights in local promotions at Indian Casinos in the midwest, but he's got a 40 lb. weight advantage. Weight, even bad weight, can be a serious factor in a small space.

That basically happened all the time in Japan.

BJ Penn fought Machida to a draw at HW (technically lost, but it was very close). 5'9 190 Minowa, who isn't world class, beat 6'5 300+ pound Bob Sapp, and 7'1 300+ kickboxer Hong Man Choi, 7'2 300+ Giant Silva, etc. 185 pound Melvin Manhoef KO'd Mark Hunt.

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

If he's starting off as some couch potato average Joe, I don't think he's necessarily going to have the strength to just back Muggs down, or the awareness+ballhandling skill to avoid getting it stolen when he tries.

[Zan Tabak]

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

What makes you think the 7footer would even get into the key?

Muggsy would be all over that horrid dribbling and rather get a steal or make the seven footer take an outside shot. Even if the 7footer grabs a rebound right under the basket and dunks, he's going to have to start on top of the key again. If he try's to back down Muggsy from the top of the key, he's going to get the ball stolen or he's going to be forced to pick up the ball. I don't think Muggsy would try to square up with a 7 footer, he'd probably run around him trying to steal the ball.

And with Muggsy's quickness, I see him running down virtually every rebound. jmo

[Goldrush25]

No amount of bodybuilding will prevent you from getting your air choked out.

[abuC]

The MMA fighter would win, I lift weights and I'm also a huge fan of boxing and with that in mind the hardest punchers in the world are not jacked up & overly muscular.

The type of build a IFBB pro goes for is not conducive to fighting, they aren't very flexible and their biceps are usually so tight they can't even straighten out their arms. Any MMA fighter with a stand up game will beat the brakes off a pro bodybuilder who will be too slow and too stiff, and no matter how much weight you lift your chin isn't going to increase in it's ability to take a punch/kick.

[resin_baller]

Come on... Mariusz was stronger than any of these guys, AND he had prior kickboxing experience, AND way more than just 3 months of training. He still has a mediocre record against mediocre pros. He was fighting other heavyweights, of course, but he also had a LOT more training.

Also, Pedro Sauer fought a 250 lb pro bodybuilder with high school wrestling experience back in the prehistoric days of MMA. It took longer than I thought it would, but he was never really threatened. And this is a 150 lb guy back when the sport was in it's infancy.

Plus, most of those bodybuilders will gas in seconds. They won't know how to relax, and will try to go hard all the time. All that muscle needs a lot of oxygen, and once their relatively normal human lungs can't keep up, they'll be slow as a beached whale.

[iamgine]

If he's starting off as some couch potato average Joe, I don't think he's necessarily going to have the strength to just back Muggs down, or the awareness+ballhandling skill to avoid getting it stolen when he tries.

I did say an athletic 7 footer with 3 months training.

What makes you think the 7footer would even get into the key?

Muggsy would be all over that horrid dribbling and rather get a steal or make the seven footer take an outside shot. Even if the 7footer grabs a rebound right under the basket and dunks, he's going to have to start on top of the key again. If he try's to back down Muggsy from the top of the key, he's going to get the ball stolen or he's going to be forced to pick up the ball. I don't think Muggsy would try to square up with a 7 footer, he'd probably run around him trying to steal the ball.

And with Muggsy's quickness, I see him running down virtually every rebound. jmo

Training to dribble around a midget is not hard. It's even better if Muggs try to go around to steal, clear path to the basket.

[Unstoppabull]

MMA Fighter 9 times out of 10. You always take the professional.

[tgan3]

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

In all of seriousness, Muggsy would win everytime. Let's not talk about 3 months, you can give that random 7 footer 3-5 years and he'll still lose.

Do you know how uncoordinated a regular 7 footer is? I've played with some tall-ass big guys (Not even 7 foot maybe 6'6) and they are slow/and uncoordinated. They won't win period.

[iamgine]

In all of seriousness, Muggsy would win everytime. Let's not talk about 3 months, you can give that random 7 footer 3-5 years and he'll still lose.

Do you know how uncoordinated a regular 7 footer is? I've played with some tall-ass big guys (Not even 7 foot maybe 6'6) and they are slow/and uncoordinated. They won't win period.

Have they got 3 month training from professional coach?

They might look clumsy in a team setting but one on one with a specific tactic they'd win everytime.

[tgan3]

Have they got 3 month training from professional coach?

They might look clumsy in a team setting but one on one with a specific tactic they'd win everytime.

Are you serious? You are comparing an NBA player against some random 7 footer with 3 months training!! Unless its current muggsy bogues you are talking about then no, I don't see some random 7 footer beating prime bogues 1 on 1.

Can shawn bradley even win kobe one on one if you think height its all that matters...?

[iamgine]

Are you serious? You are comparing an NBA player against some random 7 footer with 3 months training!! Unless its current muggsy bogues you are talking about then no, I don't see some random 7 footer beating prime bogues 1 on 1.

Can shawn bradley even win kobe one on one if you think height its all that matters...?

It's not just height. It's also weight and reach. I didn't say random. I said an athletic 7 footer.

Shawn Bradley as a chance but he's not ideal. Someone like Bynum would destroy Kobe or Jordan in one on one.

[hateraid]

I'm with hateraid on this one.

I see way way way too much CARRYOVER between the respective sports to see how this would be a pure annihilation.


Have we not forgotten how much FOCUS, WILLPOWER, DISCIPLINE, DEDICATION, and capacity to ENDURE PAIN anybody who's put on a substantial amount of muscle endures?

... the same amount of principles that make a well-rounded fighter.

If someone like Coleman had done a plethora of:
Power cleans
Overhead Presses
Deadlifts
Squats
Anti-rotation Core Exercises
Planks
HGH/Test to get that chin and jaw bone density up
and had cop training (armbar lock stuff)


Not only would his strength be top notch.. but his speed, power, and defense also.

And you guys are being a bit crazy. Yes, boxing is the toughest cardio sport out there with the exception being triathalon. Yes the amount of max V02 consumed in a wrestling bout is crazy and yes fatigue is definitely an issue for a larger guy...
but have you seen a bodybuilder's cutting hypertrophy high volume low intensity routine? It. Is. NO. Joke. When max rest is 30-45 seconds, you damn well believe the guy is in shape to put up successions of 8-12 reps in whatever he's doing.

Now let's boil it down to the motions.

Imagine his first step acceleration when he's doing a take down. He has 3 months. 90 FUKKING DAYS to perfect his technique. That's about a half ton of leg power stored in those springs. Imagine the strength and elasticity of those tendons, and the impregnable fortress that is his abs.

If he divies up his skills into building the essentials and spends hours and hours dedicating his time to it.
Half-guard
Mount
Standup boxing
A few kicks
with an unorthodox style


Then by good odin's raven's luck the MMA guy may just miscalculate something leaving him vulnerable for a pounding.


Now I still believe that at the VERY LEAST 8-9/10 times the decent MMA fighter is gonna clown him, but absolute destruction? Nah.. the bodybuilder just might get lucky and catch the fella off guard. And he's not going down easy either.

Absolutely.
And I wasn't talking about a 165lb vs 165lb. I was talking about a 165lb MMA fighter vs a 205lb+ body builder. Size is definitely a factor to consider. Inhuman strength and size is an intangible when fighting one on one

When I was training they often put in a guy with inexperience with me who outweighed me by 20 or 30 pounds because the match-up was more balanced. Believe me it's a much more difficult approach to the fight. You have to respect the size and also respect the idea that if he grabs a hold of me I might not be able to outmuscle him.

I would always beat the guy, but it's not like fighting a muscle-head the same weight in which I would have a field day. I don't know where people get this idea where it would be a cakewalk to fight a bigger stronger guy.