Why Mel Gibson is rejected while Polanski and Woody Allen gets a pass?

[HardwoodLegend]

Allen is a better visual director as well, you probably just don't give him credit due to his reputation as a comedian, which Lena Dunham is helping to drag through the dirt now by constantly comparing herself to him.

Just look at Manhattan, Love and Death or Crimes and Misdemeanors, nothing Polanski shot is close to those movies.

I don't know how many Woody Allen movies you have seen, but it seems like not very many, you are only repeating the untrue stereotypes.

I've seen Manhattan along with Annie Hall, Bananas, Stardust Memories, Broadway Danny Rose (my favorite Woody pic), Match Point, Midnight in Paris, To Rome with Love, Melinda & Melinda (underrated), and Vicky Cristina Barcelona.

Manhattan was beautiful, but I prefer Polanski's Cul-de-sac.

Woody Allen will sprinkle in some nice background shots here and there, but throughout his films the visual language is very repetitive from project to project and not all that imaginative.

He sticks to a formula which allows him to be so prolific. The primary ingredient writing so many leading men who are like him.

This is like a comparison of Jeff Hornacek to Michael Jordan.

Polanski is Hornacek, Allen is Jordan.

Naw, it would be more like Polanski is Wade and Allen is Jordan.

[kentatm]

on the surface Polanski is by far the worst person. Then Allen and then Mel.

HOWEVER, I'm sure all the people who have worked with those 3 over the years have come to the conclusion that while Allen and Roman may be scum, they aren't a massive pain in the ass to work with like Mel apparently is. If Mel wasn't a nutso hothead people would probably forgive him.

[Nick Young]

I've seen Manhattan along with Annie Hall, Bananas, Stardust Memories, Broadway Danny Rose (my favorite Woody pic), Match Point, Midnight in Paris, To Rome with Love, Melinda & Melinda (underrated), and Vicky Cristina Barcelona.

Manhattan was beautiful, but I prefer Polanski's Cul-de-sac.

Woody Allen will sprinkle in some nice background shots here and there, but throughout his films the visual language is very repetitive from project to project and not all that imaginative.

He sticks to a formula which allows him to be so prolific. The primary ingredient writing so many leading men who are like him.





Naw, it would be more like Polanski is Wade and Allen is Jordan.

First, you need to learn more about cinematography and symobolism.

Second, you need to see more Woody Allen movies.

Third, you need to watch Manhattan again.

Fourthly, Woody Allen the film character and public persona and Woody Allen the human being and director are really nothing alike.

[KingBeasley08]

Marty Scorsese >>>> these nikkas.

Moral person and great director
Woody who?

[Nick Young]

Marty Scorsese >>>> these nikkas.

Moral person and great director
Woody who?

Woody Allen also>That guy.

Christ you guys must have never seen any Woody Allen movies.

[KingBeasley08]

Woody Allen also>That guy.

Christ you guys must have never seen any Woody Allen movies.

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[KevinNYC]

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Casino doesn't belong on that list. Mean Streets does.

Also you do know that Marty had a serious drug addiction for a while right?

[KingBeasley08]

Casino doesn't belong on that list. Mean Streets does.

Also you do know that Marty had a serious drug addiction for a while right?

Casino was a great movie. And I have Mean Street there.

Drug addiction is a person demon. Nowhere on the level of raping or marrying your own daughter.

But to the original point, Marty is better than Allen easily. Although I'll admit Kubrick is the true GOAT

[KevinNYC]

Casino was a great movie. And I have Mean Street there.

Time for bed.

Casino is not great. It just reminds you how fantastic goodfellas is. The structure and storytelling is muddled. The best parts are about the Casino itself.

Drug addiction is a person demon. Nowhere on the level of raping or marrying your own daughter.***

How many coke addicts do you know who aren't complete assholes. He almost killed himself before he made 7 of the movies on your list.

You also said he was moral, not that he was better than a daughter rapist.

But to the original point, Marty is better than Allen easily.

They are two of my three favorite filmmakers, but I wouldn't say Marty is easily better. Neither can do what the other does. In the movie they did together Allen's segment was better, I can't even remember Scorsese's segment other than Nick Nolte was a painter. Check out that link and see who played the theater manager.


*** And again, this is not exactly what Allen did.

[TonyMontana]

It's been said throughout the thread, but I think it needs repeating.

The group Mel Gibson speaks out against is the group that controls the media/industry.

[Nick Young]

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

lawl Woody Allen made like 20 movies as good as those.

[KingBeasley08]

lawl Woody Allen made like 20 movies as good as those.

Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull are GOAT level movies. Those alone are better than most director's filmographies


And Casino was a very underrated, good movie. Pesci's character was repeptive but Sharon Stone killed it and the plot of the movie moved more fluidly than Goodfellas which meandered a bit when Liotta went off to jail

[MavsSuperFan]

Also a factor no one is talking about is that we didnt directly see or have audio of Polanski or Allen committing their acts. We never saw polanski raping and sodomizing that girl. We never saw allen raising his adopted stepdaughter and then marrying her.

With Gibson there is clear video evidence of him spouting racism against jewish people and there is clear audio of him spout racism against black people. It creates a more lasting negative impression

[HarryCallahan]

Also a factor no one is talking about is that we didnt directly see or have audio of Polanski or Allen committing their acts. We never saw polanski raping and sodomizing that girl. We never saw allen raising his adopted stepdaughter and then marrying her.

With Gibson there is clear video evidence of him spouting racism against jewish people and there is clear audio of him spout racism against black people. It creates a more lasting negative impression

I don't see how what Mel Gibson said was racist.

1. poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

2. the belief that some races of people are better than others

"Jews cause all wars"- He wasn't talking about Mr. Goldstein down the street, he was talking about Netanyahu, Kissinger etc. And while he may not be strictly correct, he does have a point.

"Get raped by nigguhs"- He was trying to upset her as much as possible, and being raped by black guys is worse than being raped by S.Korean men.

He was hardly being PC, but I don't see what he said as being racist.

[KeylessEntry]

This seems relevant

http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-stein19...2339294.column

How Jewish is Hollywood? - A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't.

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

"That's a very dangerous phrase, 'Jews control Hollywood.' What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood," he said. Instead of "control," Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry "happen to be Jewish," as in "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish."