Better overall player right now: Jeremy Lin or Raymond Felton?

[hawkfan]

It's not exact but it's a shitload. Lin would cost us $15M (due to the contract structure) and then the repeater tax hits him up double on our books. If Lin was just the $8M he'd probably be a Knick.

Essentially everyone always kills the Knicks on being irresponsible but losing him was a practical decision, which we also get killed for.

Lin is a better player, i'm not arguing. But his strengths don't address our weaknesses, we need a guy who doesn't need the ball all the time to be succesful, and his a hard nose defender, and steps up in the playoffs.

I hate to break it to people but Lin didn't like NY. He doesn't want to be called out when things are wrong by the media, doesn't want the spotlight. Some people can't handle that.

James Dolan wasted how much money on guys who did nothing over the years: Jerome James, Clarence Weatherspoon, Eddy Curry, et al.

Lin actually MADE money for the Knicks - he made them an international marquee franchise again.

How much are they spending on Bargnani and Felton combined? More than Lin's contract? Are Bargnani and Felton together better impact-wise better than Lin?

It had more to do with ego than a good basketball decision.

[niko]

James Dolan wasted how much money on guys who did nothing over the years: Jerome James, Clarence Weatherspoon, Eddy Curry, et al.

Lin actually MADE money for the Knicks - he made them an international marquee franchise again.

How much are they spending on Bargnani and Felton combined? More than Lin's contract? Are Bargnani and Felton together better impact-wise better than Lin?

It had more to do with ego than a good basketball decision.

Bargs saved us money, he got rid of Novak's long term money and gave us more cap room.

Lin is asian, which is why everyone wants him back on the Knicks. And everyone likes to rag on the Knicks. But his defense is spotty, and he's completely no showed the playoffs two years straight. The thing he does best, drive and score Felton can do. And he's much more expensive. The other thing he does well, direct the offense we don't really need the way we play. And i don't want my offense built around Lin and only Lin.

We don't need Lin. We need a PG upgrade, not a 25% upgrade at three times the cost.

[Droid101]

If it's a hot dog eating contest

Ten time MVP in that case.

[niko]

People are really full of this on the Knicks on this board, you are right about our problems, but your solutions are always things we let go, etc. because you just want to hate. Never things that would really help. OMG YOU LOST NOVAK! OMG COPELAND IS GONE. LIN! FIELDS! GALLO! Garbage players, hurt players, players who when they were Knicks their weaknesses were talked about in great detail, but now that they are gone, they are perfect players for us.

[STATUTORY]

Bargs saved us money, he got rid of Novak's long term money and gave us more cap room.

Lin is asian, which is why everyone wants him back on the Knicks. And everyone likes to rag on the Knicks. But his defense is spotty, and he's completely no showed the playoffs two years straight. The thing he does best, drive and score Felton can do. And he's much more expensive. The other thing he does well, direct the offense we don't really need the way we play. And i don't want my offense built around Lin and only Lin.

We don't need Lin. We need a PG upgrade, not a 25% upgrade at three times the cost.

knicks fans are truly delusional and its sad that the team FO seems to share similar qualities as their fans.

actually it's not really the front office, knicks is so dysfunctional that they let JR SMith's ppl be in charge of personnel decisions

[hawkfan]

Bargs saved us money, he got rid of Novak's long term money and gave us more cap room.

Saves 4 million in 2015, but AB's contract costs the Knicks more in 2013 and 2014.

The real thing was to get rid of Camby's contract when his career is over.

The Knicks spent the same amount of money on Lin that they spent on Felton, Camby and Novak.

But the Knicks would have made it back as an international franchise.

Skill-wise, Lin is far superior than Felton - far more than 25%.

[STATUTORY]

Saves 4 million in 2015, but AB's contract costs the Knicks more in 2013 and 2014.

The real thing was to get rid of Camby's contract when his career is over.

The Knicks spent the same amount of money on Lin that they spent on Felton, Camby and Novak.

But the Knicks would have made it back as an international franchise.

Skill-wise, Lin is far superior than Felton - far more than 25%.

there is no way to justify allowing Lin to walk for nothing from a basketball point of view. It was an early sign to the extent CAA has their claws in the Knicks organization and the petulant nature of Dolan.

[hawkfan]

People are really full of this on the Knicks on this board, you are right about our problems, but your solutions are always things we let go, etc. because you just want to hate. Never things that would really help. OMG YOU LOST NOVAK! OMG COPELAND IS GONE. LIN! FIELDS! GALLO! Garbage players, hurt players, players who when they were Knicks their weaknesses were talked about in great detail, but now that they are gone, they are perfect players for us.

They should have NEVER traded Gallinari - compare him to AB. Who's better?

They should have NEVER let Lin go - he can get to the rim, and no one on the Knicks can do that now at the point guard position.

Stoudemire's situation is genuinely bad - he has tried to come back from injury so many times. And he can't get healthy. It's really just too bad - he's tried so hard, but it just hasn't worked out.

Melo's game is being exposed and he hasn't shown an ability to adjust. And he will leave the Knicks for the Lakers after this season, and next year the Knicks will be looking to trade Chandler and Bargnani for picks and go into full rebuild mode.

[hawkfan]

there is no way to justify allowing Lin to walk for nothing from a basketball point of view. It was an early sign to the extent CAA has their claws in the Knicks organization and the petulant nature of Dolan.

The Knicks should have NEVER let Lin go - that was a terrible decision.

Felton is a good player, but not for the Knicks. He would have been a better fit for the Pistons.

[STATUTORY]

The Knicks should have NEVER let Lin go - that was a terrible decision.

Felton is a good player, but not for the Knicks. He would have been a better fit for the Pistons.

to recast the argument for letting Lin go in terms of contract and money is purely revisionist bullshit.

the reasons that knicks fans were spouting when it happened was that Felton was BETTER than Lin. clueless peons that thought Melo was a championship player

[niko]

They should have NEVER traded Gallinari - compare him to AB. Who's better?

They should have NEVER let Lin go - he can get to the rim, and no one on the Knicks can do that now at the point guard position.

Stoudemire's situation is genuinely bad - he has tried to come back from injury so many times. And he can't get healthy. It's really just too bad - he's tried so hard, but it just hasn't worked out.

Melo's game is being exposed and he hasn't shown an ability to adjust. And he will leave the Knicks for the Lakers after this season, and next year the Knicks will be looking to trade Chandler and Bargnani for picks and go into full rebuild mode.

Gallo and Wilson were injury prone. Both of them are out now with injury. We should have kept then? So they could keep Stoudamire company?

The Knicks have problems, none of them are related to losing Lin, people are just in love with him. We had him for the Heat series 2 years ago, he sat out. If you are going to do that what's your purpose?

[STATUTORY]

Gallo and Wilson were injury prone. Both of them are out now with injury. We should have kept then? So they could keep Stoudamire company?

The Knicks have problems, none of them are related to losing Lin, people are just in love with him. We had him for the Heat series 2 years ago, he sat out. If you are going to do that what's your purpose?

knicks' dumb fanbase is one that entirely deserves the futility of their team and the incompetence of their owner

blaming a player for being injured and using that as cause for letting an asset walk out of the door.

I guess Bulls should have just cut rose since he sat out all season.

[niko]

knicks' dumb fanbase is one that entirely deserves the futility of their team and the incompetence of their owner

blaming a player for being injured and using that as cause for letting an asset walk out of the door.

I guess Bulls should have just cut rose since he sat out all season.

Yes, the bulls should have cut Rose. It's exactly the same situation. Lin vs. Rose, equal players. I'm not being saracastic while secretly thinking you're a moron, i really really mean it.

[STATUTORY]

Yes, the bulls should have cut Rose. It's exactly the same situation. Lin vs. Rose, equal players. I'm not being saracastic while secretly thinking you're a moron, i really really mean it.

you were denigrating a player based on a situation in which injured players sat out of a playoff series where the team needed them. The caliber of players are not at all relevant to the statement you made unless being a star means that a team needs you less.

[hawkfan]

you were denigrating a player based on a situation in which injured players sat out of a playoff series where the team needed them. The caliber of players are not at all relevant to the statement you made unless being a star means that a team needs you less.

It was good that Lin sat out.

Andrew Bynum kept playing hurt and now look at him - had to sit out last season and this year he's hurt again. He might as well sit out the rest of this season until after the All-Star game, get healthy and stronger and then try to come back then.

Better for a young player to get healthy vs. ruining his career.

And yes, Melo should have had surgery this summer to fix his shoulder and if he had to sit out until after the All-Star break, so be it.