Idea to counter TANKING

[russwest0]

"But if they got rid of the lottery then teams would tank!!!"

Someone explain this logic to me please. Teams currently tank right now, it wouldn't change a thing. No FA's would sign with a team intentionally tanking with 0 losses, no players would stay on that team. It'd be a fcking crapshoot, the tanking will never exceed the level it is at this season.

The bottom line is the lottery is a failed system. D Rose to Chicago is proof of that. People need to stop overcomplicating it. Just give the worst team the highest pick. It makes the most logical sense. If a team wants to take to 0 losses then let them be the laughing stock of the league and be a doormat for the rest of the league 4 years down the line.

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

Wouldnt the team with the worst record in a situation like this just take the 2nd worse teams pick and vice versa for the 2nd pick. Like for the most part it would just be lottery teams taking picks from other lottery teams. I dont see how it really changes anything.

Not to mention, how do you expect teams to accurately chose another teams pick to take before the FA/Trade period starts. Or how this effects the trading of picks too.

Why don't you feckin read the OP before posting!?

Draft position is based on the relative performance of the team that you chose LAST YEAR. also, no criss-crossing of picks. this eliminates tanking, or does a lot to help eliminate it. trading of picks becomes more complex.

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

Nothing wrong with tanking. Stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Handle/post combo... It is broken. most teams this year are TRYING to lose.

[Sarcastic]

Handle/post combo... It is broken. most teams this year are TRYING to lose.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

[justin12140]

Why don't you feckin read the OP before posting!?

Draft position is based on the relative performance of the team that you chose LAST YEAR. also, no criss-crossing of picks. this eliminates tanking, or does a lot to help eliminate it. trading of picks becomes more complex.

lol calm down there. I did read the op, you just didnt understand me. All your doing is slowing down rebuilds and adding on a whole lot of uncertainty into a problem I dont really think exists. For example, Lets suppose for a minute the Heat lose Lebron & Bosh, and wade retires this off season. The heat finish the 14-15 season with a 20-62 record. Since last season they were a playoff team, they probably wouldnt even get a lottery pick until the 2016 draft.

So on top of not getting a lottery pick in the same year your a lottery team, you have to base your pick on ANOTHER team's record. What would stop teams/players from trying to intentionally injure players from other teams? All it takes is placing your foot under 1 or 2 players feet and bam, now you've just increased your odds of getting a better pick.

Secondly, people on this board act like tanking is such a huge problem in the NBA. The only teams that tank are the ones that already suck and that usually doesnt even start happening till the second half of the season.

[wagexslave]

The most simple and logical way to get rid of tanking is to put only 1 ping pong ball each for all 14 lottery teams and just randomly pick them 1 at a time until they're all gone and the exact order they're picked in decides first-to-last which order every lottery team gets to draft in.

If all lottery teams have the exact same chances to get any spot in the top-14 picks, then it doesn't give any of the teams an incentive to lose more games. And that's the problem with the current draft format... there's way too much of an incentive to lose. There should NEVER be incentive to lose more games.

[justin12140]

So Im just curious, we have one of the biggest drafts in years coming up and everyone on this board believes there is some massive tanking go on right now by the Eastern Conference. So as of right now the lottery teams are Cleveland, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, Orlando, Philly, and Milwaukee.

So right off the bat you know NY, BK, Chi, & Cleveland aren't trying to tank and legitimately suck. That leaves Orlando, Philly, and Milwaukee. Milwaukee is just legitimately a bad team. They've dealt with injuries from Knight, Butler, and Sanders. The 76ers are the youngest team in the league and 8/15 players have 1 NBA season or less under their belt. No way a team that young does anything. Magic are young too, but they have a ton of veterans.

So we'll say that the Magic & the Raptors (cause their in the process of moving decent older player they have) are the only teams in the East actively trying to tank. I just really dont see why everyone on this site gets so caught up in "tanking".

[I<3NBA]

And where would the D-League teams play? They'd need bigger courts and stuff like that...

they take the arenas of the ousted teams.

[WagonJumper]

Just create lottery playoff. The worst 8 teams form a playoff with the winner take first pick and so on. That way teams cant go full retard tanking and more games means more revenue.

[VIntageNOvel]

Just create lottery playoff. The worst 8 teams form a playoff with the winner take first pick and so on. That way teams cant go full retard tanking and more games means more revenue.

this is actually not a bad idea at all,
nah why stop at 8,
all 14 should compete with each other,
so there would be 2 playoff,
one for the bottom feeder

[b1imtf]

they take the arenas of the ousted teams.

Owners wouldn't want that...

[justin12140]

this is actually not a bad idea at all,
nah why stop at 8,
all 14 should compete with each other,
so there would be 2 playoff,
one for the bottom feeder

So the best lottery teams should get the better picks and (for the most part) the better players. Like I've already said all this would do is cause the worse seeded playoff teams to tank just enough to miss it. Doesnt make the awful teams better, just the mediocre ones. This isnt a fix. Not even that, but what incentive would lottery teams have to win these "playoffs" if they traded their pick away?

Owners wouldn't want that...

Not only that but the entire premise is just incredibly stupid. You would literally be sending a team of NBA players down to the D-League and calling up a full team of D-Leaguers. Call up the D-League all star team and they would still be the worst team in the league. Then you have to ask what happens to the NBA players that are now in the D-League? What happens to the NBA players (like rookies) that are on these "called up" D League teams. Do players on called up D-League teams get paid NBA salaries?

I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything to anybody in this thread, but a whole lot of yall just are not thinking these things all the way through.

[Sarcastic]

There is no counter to tanking, as long as there is a reason for teams to tank. Teams tank because in doing so, they have a chance to get better players. The only way to stop the tanking is to take away the reason that they tank in the first place, ie the draft. Let players come into the league as free agents and pick their teams, and I guarantee you no team will ever think of tanking again.

Not only that, but if you got rid of the draft, then teams would be forced to go upgrade all their arenas and facilities without waiting for the cities that harbor them to pay for it all.

[GOBB]

There is no counter to tanking, as long as there is a reason for teams to tank. Teams tank because in doing so, they have a chance to get better players. The only way to stop the tanking is to take away the reason that they tank in the first place, ie the draft. Let players come into the league as free agents and pick their teams, and I guarantee you no team will ever think of tanking again.

Not only that, but if you got rid of the draft, then teams would be forced to go upgrade all their arenas and facilities without waiting for the cities that harbor them to pay for it all.

Teams would still tank. They would just do what the NYK did. Clear tons of cap space so they can sign Lebron James, Wade, Dirk, Bosh only to end up with Stoudemire, Chandler and and well you get the idea.

[ILLsmak]

Nothing wrong with tanking. Stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

giving other teams wins skews the whole system. I'm sure most people believe that if a team is tanking all teams with benefit equally, but that's not true because they don't play every team the same amount. They are mostly tanking against good teams, too. When two tanking teams play, someone has to win.

Not competing is always bad, especially when you consider a lot of the tanking teams can't keep the players they draft. It's just hard to fix with so much corruption. If this world was fair, then you could just have a committee that would choose the player for each team based on need.

But it's not...

They could make it so that if you got a top pick you'd be put in tourney next year before playoffs and the winners were the 8th seeds, and even if you lost, you'd not get to pick high again.

But we gotta stop these bad teams from giving wins to good teams. It messes up everything. Inflates wins, inflates stats, encourages people to not go to games or watch (oh it's just the Bobcats...)

-Smak