HOF with no all nba selections?

[get these NETS]

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Adrian Dantley: 2nd Team in 1980-81 and 1983-84.
Bill Bradley: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Dave DeBusschere: 2nd Team in 1968-69
Calvin Murphy: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Frank Ramsey: Never made any All-NBA teams

the same way I wrote about a group of hof centers playing around the same time


those 2nd team all nba years of dantley's roughly coincide with golden era for small forwards

even though all nba team isn't specific about 1 small f 1 power f. would be interesting to see how many of those 1980s beast small forwards ever made all nba and which ones got into the hall....

bird is hof, alex english is in, dantley, nique is in, i think king just got in..has to be 6-7 more who put up big numbers that are borderline hof worthy...

[L.Kizzle]

the same way I wrote about a group of hof centers playing around the same time


those 2nd team all nba years of dantley's roughly coincide with golden era for small forwards

even though all nba team isn't specific about 1 small f 1 power f. would be interesting to see how many of those 1980s beast small forwards ever made all nba and which ones got into the hall....

bird is hof, alex english is in, dantley, nique is in, i think king just got in..has to be 6-7 more who put up big numbers that are borderline hof worthy...

Marques Johnson is the only one not in, and he made a First team. How about those apples.

Doc is in, Mullin is in, Pippen is in. Aguirre is the only one who never made a team and rightfully so, he was the worst of the bunch.

[Micku]

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Adrian Dantley: 2nd Team in 1980-81 and 1983-84.
Bill Bradley: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Dave DeBusschere: 2nd Team in 1968-69
Calvin Murphy: Never made any All-NBA teams.
Frank Ramsey: Never made any All-NBA teams

No way! I could've sworn he had more than that.

Anyway, Artis Gilmore technically never received any all "NBA" team. All of his selection was for the ABA.

[L.Kizzle]

No way! I could've sworn he had more than that.

Anyway, Artis Gilmore technically never received any all "NBA" team. All of his selection was for the ABA.

Kareem and Moses had something to do with that.

[Micku]

Kareem and Moses had something to do with that.

Yeah. Those are the main ones. He also had a prime Bill Walton in the 70s and Robert Parish 80s. He had some competition.

[HurricaneKid]

No it isnt
In 05 he wasnt at that level
In 06 Kobe and Nash were better in the RS
In 07 and 08 he was injured
In 09 and 10 he got it he robbed CP3 in 09 he was better
In 11 CP3, Kobe and Rose were better in the RS
In 12 CP3 and Kobe were better
Last season there were a few better

Nash?? Better defender??? Did you know we were talking about defense?

[HurricaneKid]

Look at Kobe's all defensive first team nods. Is he really the GOAT perimeter defender?

Kobe's career RAPM is NEGATIVE. Which means when you adjust for the players he is against, pace, etc he was a slightly below average defender. Now we all know he was an outstanding M2M defender when motivated. But in his ~100,000+ defensive possessions in the regular season he was statistically a hair below avg as a defender.

All time great? HAHAHAHHAHHHHHhaaahahahaha

[Yankstar]

Kobe's career RAPM is NEGATIVE. Which means when you adjust for the players he is against, pace, etc he was a slightly below average defender. Now we all know he was an outstanding M2M defender when motivated. But in his ~100,000+ defensive possessions in the regular season he was statistically a hair below avg as a defender.

All time great? HAHAHAHHAHHHHHhaaahahahaha

You Lebron stans and your stats. Kobe was clutch defensively when it mattered and the NBA recognized that. With such an offensive powerhouse which he was and his incredible longevity considering his play style you can't expect him to be on every possession in every regular season same. 5 rings proves he can defend

[get these NETS]

Marques Johnson is the only one not in, and he made a First team. How about those apples.

Doc is in, Mullin is in, Pippen is in. Aguirre is the only one who never made a team and rightfully so, he was the worst of the bunch.

thanks....forgot about Dr. J......

when a bunch of ringless and not LOCK alltime greats gt into the hall...it makes some of the omissions like Johnson's look suspicious

Aguirre was unguardable...just played in wrong years..as a scorer he was just as skilled as any of those guys..and he had the power/post game too

biggest omission in hof is sidney moncrief...who I always thought was a 3....a legit great two way player.....multiple all nba.....they basically CREATED the dpoy for him

pre-Jordan you could be great at ONE thing..scoring....and never be criticized...Melo is just born in the wrong era...his skillset belongs to that 80s small forward era....he'd be in the HOF...

[jlip]

I know a couple of Bill Russell's "hall of fame" teammates, Frank Ramsey and K.C. Jones were never even all stars let alone had any all nba selections.

[L.Kizzle]

thanks....forgot about Dr. J......

when a bunch of ringless and not LOCK alltime greats gt into the hall...it makes some of the omissions like Johnson's look suspicious

Aguirre was unguardable...just played in wrong years..as a scorer he was just as skilled as any of those guys..and he had the power/post game too

biggest omission in hof is sidney moncrief...who I always thought was a 3....a legit great two way player.....multiple all nba.....they basically CREATED the dpoy for him

pre-Jordan you could be great at ONE thing..scoring....and never be criticized...Melo is just born in the wrong era...his skillset belongs to that 80s small forward era....he'd be in the HOF...

Maybe worst is bad wording when describing Aguirre. I would take him last out of the top SFs of the 80s. He'd come behind Bird, Doc, King, Wilkins, English, Dantley and Johnson. You could argue that Kiki Vandeweghe was better than Aguirre.

[La Frescobaldi]

I know a couple of Bill Russell's "hall of fame" teammates, Frank Ramsey and K.C. Jones were never even all stars let alone had any all nba selections.

how is Ramsay, a guard, going to get on an all-nba team with a league carrying Bill Sharman & Bob Cousy just ON HIS OWN TEAM

How is KC going to make a team sitting behind those two then with a teammate named Sam Jones and with Jerry West & Oscar Robertson to boot in that same league?

[La Frescobaldi]

Maybe worst is bad wording when describing Aguirre. I would take him last out of the top SFs of the 80s. He'd come behind Bird, Doc, King, Wilkins, English, Dantley and Johnson. You could argue that Kiki Vandeweghe was better than Aguirre.

Early days Kiki was heading towards legendary. Back problems changed that and it is truly too bad.

[L.Kizzle]

how is Ramsay, a guard, going to get on an all-nba team with a league carrying Bill Sharman & Bob Cousy just ON HIS OWN TEAM

How is KC going to make a team sitting behind those two then with a teammate named Sam Jones and with Jerry West & Oscar Robertson to boot in that same league?

They shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame period. Unless you want to base there selection on there collegiate career.

Ramsey is in as being the first great sixth man, so I give him that. But KC Jones, always wondered about that. I know he was known more as a defender, so he must have been that great to be in the Hall.

[ILLsmak]

nba players who made basketball hof with no all nba selections?


you figure that reggie miller would not have any nba first team selections cause of MJ


Rodman won't have any all nba selections


I don't know if there were 2 all nba teams selected in Wilt's day and not sure when it was changed to 3 full all nba teams but can you think of other players who got int the hall without making first team ever......or without making any of the teams?

do you think that you're a legit hof without ever being one of the best five players in the league? (with the defensive specialists as exceptions)

I think an All-NBA D, esp many of them, counts as something. It's still an all-nba selection.

I'd say nobody in the HOF has made it without ever being on an all-nba team, but I could be wrong.

-Smak