Did MJ ever choked in the playoffs?

[mehyaM24]

Dude, don't go there, not good for your boy 2011 Finals ring a bell? Give me just one example of a Jordan Bulls team favored to win a series that he was the reason they lost. Are you trying to deny LeBron didn't cost the Heat that championship??? I could mention more LeBron postseason failures but I'll let you tackle this one No player is perfect, we all know this, some fail less and some fail more.

You know MJ never failed as hard as LeBron did in 2011, don't even go there junior

more red herrings. cant say im surprised. are you gonna address the post at hand or just shift goal posts because you're insecure over another mans legacy?

[ihoopallday]

Imagine if sports forums like insidehoops existed during that time. Today, we nit pick everything athletes do. Same would happen to MJ, but of course there'd be more praise than hating.

[nightprowler10]

Why is this thread still going after DonDadda nuked it?

[fpliii]

Imagine if sports forums like insidehoops existed during that time. Today, we nit pick everything athletes do. Same would happen to MJ, but of course there'd be more praise than hating.

Usenet was around:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/michael$20jordan$20choked$20after$3A1984$2F01$2F01 $20before$3A1998$2F12$2F31

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Usenet Group from '96

Why Wilt *isn't* #1: The Choke Factor

[Psileas]

Surprised no one has mentioned Game 5 of the ECF in 1989...

Biggest game of his career up until that point..took 8 shots total; including 1 in the 4th quarter (an airball).

In a way, I have. Post #47.

Usenet Group from '96

Air Judden owning fools.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Air Judden's homepage

I've actually been to his web page before. Unsurprisingly, he doesn't think MJ is the GOAT

[juju151111]

Air Judden's homepage

I've actually been to his web page before. Unsurprisingly, he doesn't think MJ is the GOAT

That guy gets owned the moment he tries that on Ish.

[Simple Jack]

nope. sorry. missing freethrows in waning moments, WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THEM, is choking.

going scoreless the last 10 minutes of the 4th, WHEN YOU ARE KNOWN AS A SCORER, is choking. in the finals? that is folding like a bitch.

full game on this channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbsxDGG9Gv4

Right so airballing your only shot attempt (of 8 FGA in the whole game), would be choking correct?

[Simple Jack]

In a way, I have. Post #47.

Would you consider that choking? I mean the narrative is pretty much the same. Up 2-1, not a great game 4 (teammates played bad as well)...then nowhere to be found in game 5.

Choking is an interesting concept. If you are in a competitive situation, but refuse to give a certain level of effort, did you really choke? It's hard to say but I feel like choking usually involves giving a certain level of effort, but executing horribly resulting in a loss (in which you were favored to win).

[LAZERUSS]

What constitutes choking? Someone who wilts in the playoffs, no pun intended.

Kobe in his Finals...

99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
FG% in the last Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game of the series, .389

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514
Last Game .438

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438
Finals 22.6 ppg .381
Last Game .333

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459
Finals 25.7 ppg .405
Last game of the series, .318

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467
Finals 32.4 ppg .430
Last game of the series, .435

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456
Finals 28.6 ppg .405
Last game of the series, .250 from the floor.


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86, and Kobe shoots .389 from the field.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe in his Finals...

ppg/rpg/apg/spg/bpg/tov/fg%/ft%
SEASON: 25.5 / 5.3 / 4.8 / 1.5 / 0.5 / 3.0 / 45.4 / 83.8
PLAYOFF: 25.6 / 5.1 / 4.7 / 1.4 / 0.7 / 2.9 / 44.8 / 81.6
FINALS: 25.3 / 5.7 / 5.1 / 1.8 / 0.9 / 3.3 / 41.2 / 84.8

5 Championships
5-2 in the Finals
27-2 series with HCA

Meanwhile Wilt with the highest choking rating of alltime...

[LAZERUSS]

ppg/rpg/apg/spg/bpg/tov/fg%/ft%
SEASON: 25.5 / 5.3 / 4.8 / 1.5 / 0.5 / 3.0 / 45.4 / 83.8
PLAYOFF: 25.6 / 5.1 / 4.7 / 1.4 / 0.7 / 2.9 / 44.8 / 81.6
FINALS: 25.3 / 5.7 / 5.1 / 1.8 / 0.9 / 3.3 / 41.2 / 84.8

5 Championships
5-2 in the Finals
27-2 series with HCA

Meanwhile Wilt with the highest choking rating of alltime...

Chamberlain was arguably the best center on the floor in every one of his 29 playoff series, and probably the best player on the floor in well over 20 of them. He was never outrebounded in any of those 29 series, and was only outshot from the field by an opposing center in one (and in that series, Wilt missed 20 shots, and his opposing center missed 107.) Not only that, but Wilt DRAMATICALLY reduced the FG% efficiency of his opposing centers in the vast majority of those 29 series, including reducing a prime KAJ by over 10% combined in their two post-season H2H series.

Meanwhile, Kobe personally LOST both the '04 and '08 Finals, while playing poorly in nearly all of them.

[Psileas]

Would you consider that choking? I mean the narrative is pretty much the same. Up 2-1, not a great game 4 (teammates played bad as well)...then nowhere to be found in game 5.

Choking is an interesting concept. If you are in a competitive situation, but refuse to give a certain level of effort, did you really choke? It's hard to say but I feel like choking usually involves giving a certain level of effort, but executing horribly resulting in a loss (in which you were favored to win).

Everyone tries to give "choking" a meaning that will mean the least harm for his favorite players. I don't like using this term for this exact reason, that its meaning is so vague.
Does the lack of effort mean that someone choke? Even if it doesn't, look at game 4. Plus, this might mean something worse, it may mean that this player is practically sabotaging his team, purposefully underperforming to prove something. Or that he quit. It definitely can't be seen in a positive or neutral light. It never had been with others who would sporadically have a suspiciously passive game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain was arguably the best center on the floor in every one of his 29 playoff series, and probably the best player on the floor in well over 20 of them. He was never outrebounded in any of those 29 series, and was only outshot from the field by an opposing center in one (and in that series, Wilt missed 20 shots, and his opposing center missed 107.) Not only that, but Wilt DRAMATICALLY reduced the FG% efficiency of his opposing centers in the vast majority of those 29 series, including reducing a prime KAJ by over 10% combined in their two post-season H2H series.

Meanwhile, Kobe personally LOST both the '04 and '08 Finals, while playing poorly in nearly all of them.

Chamberlain's FT% drops from 51.1 to 37.5 and his PPG drops from 30.1 to 18.6 from regular season to the finals.

2-4 in the Finals
13-5 series with HCA