Obama calling out the Naysaying Republican's today

[Droid101]

And if you have a problem with what it costs the government when people without insurance go to the hospital and don't pay, then why not just GET TOUGH on people who do that? Oh, right, because Dems are simply chickenshit when it comes to enforcing anything.

Funny, I think it was the Republican Ronald Reagan that signed the law where hospitals couldn't turn away people for lack of payment.

Your trolling is terrible. Give up.

[nathanjizzle]

You made this same exact point in another thread and I literally showed a picture of my insurance card which, thanks to government subsidy, provides me a $500/yr deductible with a $53 month premium. The original cost of that plan was $200+ a month but because I'm choosing to live an unconventional lifestyle right now with low income, I get a huge discount. Even though I am an able-bodied man in my 20s. There is no excuse for funding my huge government subsidy with the money of other hard working Americans. But the law INSISTED that I buy coverage, and when I put in my income that's what they offered me. So I took it. You think there aren't MILLIONS of people who are just 'slacking' and getting cheap ass coverage? That comes at the expense of working Americans.

And if you have a problem with what it costs the government when people without insurance go to the hospital and don't pay, then why not just GET TOUGH on people who do that? Oh, right, because Dems are simply chickenshit when it comes to enforcing anything. They're the party of cowards. Point blank, period. You even TRY to collect a legitimate debt from someone, and the Femocrats call up the ACLU to start a tantrumfest about how the system is picking on poor lil johnny everyman, who chose not to get insurance and now is shirking his medical bills. Femocrats do the same thing with child support. Don't pay your child support? Here's a few tiny slaps on the wrist, now go make some more illegitimate kids! We'll get those evil meanie rich people to pay! Nevermind how much us middle class academic liberals make compared to factory workers in vietnam, the REAL bad guys are the stupid ceo's that make more money than US!



It's just a bunch of soft, cowardly, ignorant, mobthink retards being self-serving hypocrites. The most unmanly guys in the conventional sense; soft, oversensitive, effeminate, hormonal like a woman, emotional, shy, awkward etc. They dont want to have to live in a world where they witness people suffer the consequences of their OWN decision, they insist on an ideology where everyone who makes... an amount just above the threshold of what they and the people around them make... are perpetually not doing their "fair share" to provide bandaids for people who make bad decisions and end up in difficult circumstances.


Theye wanna give everyone fish (so that he comes off looking super compassionate and motherly, thus hopefully being liked) rather than let people learn to fish and sometimes spend a night hungry as they're feeling their way out through trial and error.


It's basically man vs woman mentality. Femocrats have a strangely womanly mentality. They have an obsession with mothering and being motherly. That's why they read Mother Jones. They love to be the mother instead of the father becuase it just comes more natural to them. Maybe it stems from a realization that they weren't the manly types early on, so to attract women they tried to develop more in common with them and hope to get girls by being soft and emotional. Who knows? It's a relatively new evolutionary development.



Edit: Removed the personal attack, I resolved not to do that anymore here. Too old for it.

do you even read what you write objectively? stfu crybaby. You have no capacity to understand the dynamics of what is needed to structure a human society. thats why youre broke and still figuring out what your going to do with your life. youre just another ****** using the system and you actually think what you say is credible. "I make low income, but i think my tax dollars is paying for bums" youre not even paying your own way idiot, youre using some millionaires tax dollars to pay for your existence in this society.

[Godzuki]

Every time I ask someone this, it gets dodged and ignored, so I don't expect anything different but just in case, let me ask you:

Can you paint me a picture of a two-parent home with adults working full time and being financially responsible that is "poor and has no money"? Keep in mind that they are able to get food assistance and they receive about $2,000 per child from the government each year. Don't tell me "they can't find work" becuase I'll just post ads from craigslist in ANY CITY IN AMERICA that are advertising for work.


So go ahead and explain to me who the hard working, financially responsible poor people are out there that can't make ends meet in the wealthiest country on earth?

older people that don't qualify for medicare yet. people get old, their bodies start deteriorating, some more than others. Some at age 50-60~ have a hard time working, let alone 40 hours a week. Some people age really well tho so its dependent on the person. All i know is i see some 50-60 year olds who look like they're 80, and some 70 year olds who look like they're 40's. I don't even think its as much to do with healthy living than genes.

Also people with disabilities. Those unemployed and can't find a steady job.

That said i get your point. There are tons of lazy people in this country who just want to hang out all day and get assistance. I agree with you thats a big problem, and the government programs are extremely abused. I think those issues are slowly being addressed and a lot of the fat is slowly being trimmed. I'll give fiscal Republicans credit for that.

[KevinNYC]

I am a fan of the idea that Obamacare will help separate health insurance and employment. I have to imagine that people taking or staying at jobs they hate simply because they need health insurance is horribly inefficient for the economy.

Or not being able to quit to start a business. There is some indication that older folks are retiring in greater numbers in recent months, which would free up jobs for younger folks.

It's going to be interesting to see how the politics of this plays out. Last fall Republicans claimed this was a trainwreck. Now the train has pulled into the station and they are finding things like

4% of Americans are newly insured.

Four percent of Americans are newly insured this year, reporting that they have health insurance now but did not last year. A little more than half of that group, or 2.1% of the U.S. population, got their new insurance through health exchanges. The rest got it using some other mechanism.

These findings are based on interviewing with more than 20,000 U.S. adults, aged 18 and older, conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking from March 4-April 14. Gallup asked those who have health insurance if their policy is new for 2014, and if so, whether they had insurance last year and if they got their new insurance through a federal or state health exchange.

Obamacare Helped Up to 10 Million Get Insurance, Gallup Finds

Obamacare has helped as many as 9.9 million people to get new health insurance, and more than 4 percent of all Americans have gotten health insurance for the first time, according to a new Gallup poll.

It’s the largest poll yet to assess the effects of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, and the findings add to what’s been reported in earlier surveys and the government tally of how many people signed up through the new online exchanges.

The percentage of the U.S. population that has no health insurance has plummeted from an all-time high of 18 percent during the last quarter of 2013 to just 15 percent this past March, says Dan Witters, lead researcher for the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index.

Lower premiums (yes, really) drive down Obamacare’s expected costs, CBO says

The health-care law's expansion of insurance coverage will cost $104 billion less than projected over the next decade, according to revised estimates from nonpartisan budget analysts Monday. Obamacare's lower-than-expected costs will come largely because premiums will be cheaper than previously thought.
Obamacare's coverage provisions in 2014 are expected to cost $5 billion less than the $41 billion the Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation projected earlier in the year. The CBO now expects the federal government to spend about $164 billion less in the next decade on subsidies in Obamacare health insurance marketplaces. The CBO's expected costs of the Affordable Care Act's coverage provisions have declined since it was signed four years ago, as you can see in the below chart.

CBO slightly lowers U.S. deficit estimates as health subsidies fall

[El Gato Negro]

Still cheaper for me to pay the fine than the health insurance ill never use.

[Patrick Chewing]

Of those 8 million, how many have paid?? Waiting.....

[KevinNYC]

Of those 8 million, how many have paid?? Waiting.....

The answer is about 85%. That 15% unpaid includes people who just signed up and whose bill is due later this month.

It will end up being north of 90%. This as it turns out is about the same percentage as in the regular private market. There's was always tons of turn over in the private market of individual plans as well. It addition to people who didn't pay, it included people who got coverage somewhere else-either with a different company or through their jobs or some other way.

For example, if I'm paying month to month for a crappy insurance policy and then I get health coverage through my job, then I'm dropping my individual policy.

We'll see for sure in about 6 weeks.

[KevinNYC]

Edit: Removed the personal attack, I resolved not to do that anymore here. Too old for it.

Now that you've changed do you want to apologize for the lies you've been telling about me?

You are a soft little she-man, we all know this. You were literally the biggest crybaby EVER about letting two guys get married. You threw tantrums about it DAILY on this board.

You are a bigger f@ggot even then the dudes who actually get married. You you piss your pants about everything because you're a hypersensitive, media-controlled she-pansy. Good for you dude. You're probably uglier than the dude in your avatar.

Nope, back to your old jackass self. That newfound maturity didn't even last an hour.

[Akrazotile]

Nope, back to your old jackass self. That newfound maturity didn't even last an hour.

First of all that quote of mine was taken way out of context.

Secondly, I didnt even say that, my account was hacked.

Thirdly, I was drunk at the time and have a problem with alcohol, but Ive voluntarily checked into rehab so plz absolve me from any responsibility for my behavior.

[brantonli]

Basically, what Obamacare does:

Forces young, healthy people to join the same insurance pools as old, high-risk Americans, obese Americans, cigarette smoking Americans, diabetic Americans, prescription abusing Americans, hypochondriacs, and so forth, in order to help insurance companies pay the cost of all these ills, while still turning a profit. Oh, and let's not forget that things like VIAGARA are covered by many insurance plans. As well as treatment for alcoholism, "ADHD", depression, and all sorts of other various ambiguous "diseases."
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So. How else does insurance work?

[Bonesaw]

First of all that quote of mine was taken way out of context.

Secondly, I didnt even say that, my account was hacked.

Thirdly, I was drunk at the time and have a problem with alcohol, but Ive voluntarily checked into rehab so plz absolve me from any responsibility for my behavior.

[Droid101]

Of those 8 million, how many have paid?? Waiting.....

Literally all you do in politics threads is post word-for-word talking points fed to you by Fox News or other far right-wing sources. It's actually kind of funny.

[Droid101]

Still cheaper for me to pay the fine than the health insurance ill never use.

And if you got hit by a bus tomorrow?

Do you people know how insurance works? Good ****ing god.

[Bonesaw]

And if you got hit by a bus tomorrow?

Do you people know how insurance works? Good ****ing god.

I'll take my chances not being hit by a bus rather than paying an automatic 1,500 a year while having a 6,000 deductible

fvk that noise

[Droid101]

I'll take my chances not being hit by a bus rather than paying an automatic 1,500 a year while having a 6,000 deductible

fvk that noise

So you're saying that if you got hit buy a bus, it's our (the taxpayer's) responsibility to foot your bills?

I guess personal responsibility only matters when we're talking about brown people amirite?