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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
Just reputation damage control, all melo cared about is the dollar amount. He don't give a damn about winning, hoped knicks would move on from him
And rebuild from scratch? That's the only thing to do if they want to move on from him. Considering there's Phil and Fisher I figured that wouldn't be excluded as an option. But, they loured a franchise player in and it make sense to build around him.
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Buck Dynasty
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Dengness9
The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.
He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.
Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.
Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.
Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.
Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.
Pretty much this, especially the bolded.
The UC is going to rip Melo apart.
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NBA Legend
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Hotlantadude81
The Knicks are nowhere close to being a good team. He is just taking the money it appears.
When you no longer have Ray "fatty" Felton as your starting PG, your team has gotten better.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Yeah I'll be shocked if he leaves NY. All that money, plus he loves NYC obviously. Has a family, his wife is really content there. Throw in Phil Jackson and if the Knicks can even give him a little hope I don't see him leaving.
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Homecourt: Hell
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Hey Yo
When you no longer have Ray "fatty" Felton as your starting PG, your team has gotten better.
Let's be real guys. Calderon is better than Felton but getting old. Chandler is better than Dalembert but also on the decline.
That trade didn't really make the Knicks better by much even if you rid yourself of Felton bc now you have a weaker center if Dalembert even makes the team.
Last edited by Dengness9; 07-04-2014 at 04:12 PM.
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NBA Legend
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Dengness9
The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.
He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.
Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.
Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.
Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.
Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.
He's a free agent right now. He can't force anything. The Knicks don't have to sign him just for the sake of trading him. What do the Bulls have that the Knicks would want? Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Hey Yo
He's a free agent right now. He can't force anything. The Knicks don't have to sign him just for the sake of trading him. What do the Bulls have that the Knicks would want? Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.
You don't know how the league works then. Stars always get what they want.
And bulls have so much the Knicks would want if Melo was leaving them for good.
Rights to Mirotic(coming this year), McDermott, Bulls 15' pick Or future firsts. Bulls also have a Cavs and Kings 1st rounder, and Tony Snell.
That's some good assets without even mention Butler or Taj. All cheap don't affect the 2O15 cap space hardly too.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Hey Yo
Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.
Nuggets fans said the same thing. "he won't go if the Knicks are going to gut their roster to bring him to NY"
to the Wojo tidbit...So he's aligned but not enough to tell the Knicks he's on board. this sounds like it came from the NY side of the negotiations
Last edited by gts; 07-04-2014 at 04:15 PM.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by D-Rose
He's a Top 10 player in the league, and best Knick since Ewing
Also, if Phil and co want to make compelling FA pitches in 2015/16, they will need a superstar already on the books. He's their guy. He can help recruit the stars.
The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...
Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?
Last edited by Roundball_Rock; 07-04-2014 at 04:18 PM.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...
Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?
I think the biggest difference going forward vs. 2010 is that they already have a superstar on the books this time. I think it makes a world of a difference, look at Wade recruiting his guys. Superstars don't want to go to teams with no other big talent already there for sure.
Also, Phil Jackson is going to be a huge asset in convincing FA to come. I think the Knicks are headed in the right direction.
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College star
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...
Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?
The "Wait for something to fall in your Lap" might not be Phil's plan.
Amare + Hardaway Jr+ Larkin isn't that bad a trade package to a team that wants to start over
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
It all came down to money.
No way does Melo leave that much money on the table to go play with Rose, who doesn't even want to play with him. Not to mention the East is still in limbo depending on what Lebron does.
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NBA All-star
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
in one season Knicks will be in a better position than Chicago going into the future with all the cap space that they'll have with amare, bargnani and chandlers contracts off.
Bulls will probably overpay somebody to compensate and will be lead by a huge injury prone question mark named Derrick Rose.
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Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
Thats a lot of coin. Thats essentially his retirement check. Melo is 30. You know LaLa is saying he can retire off that, not to mention his millions in endorsements.
The knicks need a player in waiting by next year. a guy who's 24-25 that can take over when Melo gets to a point of declining. Melo will play 3 great years out o that contract, and have one year where it's allan Houston all over again.
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Local High School Star
Re: Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA
I am very happy that the Bulls lucked into the #1 overall in 2008 and took Derrick Rose.
Miami was going to draft him but was stuck with Beasley instead at #2.
Beasley may have been a bust, but we could move on from him quickly and built the Big 3 instead.... whereas Rose is injured for years and openly declares he won't recruit anybody for your team and is an anti-social weirdo in general. In 2010, Rose didn't even try to speak to LeBron
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