LeBron can never be called "colluder" or "ringchaser" ever again

[GimmeThat]

well, the only way for him to not be called a "colluder" or "ringchaser" would have been to stay with the Heat and kicked out Wade and Bosh.

Because even if they took pay cuts, he still wouldn't be able to win this argument.

He would need to collude with Riley and kick those two out of town and hoping other teams pay them big bucks so they can save face.

He might not be called the ringchaser in this case.



human reasons?


actually, I don't even know why he plays on a team, instead of just playing all by himself.

[LeBird]

Sarcasm is great when you're getting burned in a debate. They clearly are on the verge of something great, regardless of Bron joining. You have the most hyped rookie since Lebron joining, a great PG, great young talent from top to bottom, a balanced team, etc.
They clearly were one piece away from being great, and Lebron is that piece. It doesn't take away from the greatness of Bron, since he is the best in the league, and in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best player ever at his best, but he isn't joining some no good team with a so-so future.
Cavs have the most upside of any team in the league.

As of right now, all this is speculation. They're not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They only become relevant because of Lebron.

[Blue&Orange]

Anthony Bennet man that statline was one of the best of any players rookie year.

One of those picks is a bust atm, one is unproven and one has killer handles.

But that alone(because the Cavs offer NOTHING outside of those players...coaching etc.) is supposed to be better than Wade/Bosh/Granger + Miamis front office and coaching???

33 wins.

Please kiddo, take a seat.

yo retard why didn't lebron demanded the cavs to trade their "crappy" players for Wade and Bosh? lol

I mean he would be so much better off with Wade and Bosh right now in the cavs

[pauk]

James to Miami was collusion and ringchasing at its best, no one can erase that stain in his legacy.

I do respect him a bit more now that he went back to the cavs, but its not like the cavs are horrible, they are probably the team in the nba with the most potencial in the league, with a ton of assets, and are still trying to get love.
Cavs without love are easily a top 3 team in the east, and without lebron they would prolly make the playoffs this season

You really think he would join that team if it was not the Cavs?
You really think he has a higher chance of winning by joining that team?
You really think Miami had no chance of winning a couple of more championships next few years if he stayed?

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA, why? The only reason behind that is as he very thoroughly explains in his letter.... home.... he doesnt care about championships in that context, he cares about a championship only if it lands in Cleveland....

[coin24]

You really think he would join that team if it was not the Cavs?
You really think he has a higher chance of winning by joining that team?
You really think Miami had no chance of winning a couple of more championships next few years if he stayed?

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA, why? The only reason behind that is as he very thoroughly explains in his letter.... home.... he doesnt care about championships in that context, he cares about a championship only if it lands in Cleveland....

Oh pauk you're killing me

[ImKobe]

that 33 win team added a #1 pick in Andrew Wiggins and is most likely to land a top 5 PF in the league and then you add Lebron to that team. Oh, and they replaced Mike Brown with one of the more respected & successful coaches in the basketball world.

If you removed Lebron from the 2013-14 Heat, how many games would they have won with Wade missing that many games?

[Blue&Orange]

Stop.... no matter how you want to twist and turn it, this is the most opposite to ringchasing move any player of his stature has ever done in NBA history.... He very literally gave up championships (a team which HE transitioned into championship standards) to join the what has been since his very departure in 2009 overall the worst team in the NBA

Dude i've said numerous times, i say it again, you have serious mental issues, seek professional help.

LEbron left a team that was EMBARRASSED in the finals, a team that is a tax repeater, that HAD NO CHANCE of improving for a team with 3 n

[MP.Trey]

I just love the double standard, how when LeBron decided to sign here, we turned from a team full of draft busts that couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, to a championship caliber supporting cast with all the young talent in the world.

We need to be taught how to win, as a team and as an organization and that is not an overnight thing. This situation is better for LeBron for legacy and long-term aspirations, but as far as the short term, winning a championship right away, he very very likely would be better off in Miami.

[FLDFSU]

No, but clearly Cleveland were an all in team at this point, with all attention going to Lebron, since they believed they had a great shot.
They aren't a 33 win team either, they're a good bit better than that. Probably 40 win, and playoff seed last season if fully healthy. They dealt with a lot of injuries last season, and on the premise of natural progression and learning curve of younger players, they're a 40 win team regardless of Bron joining or not with the addition of Wiggins and improvement of others.



Sarcasm is great when you're getting burned in a debate. They clearly are on the verge of something great, regardless of Bron joining. You have the most hyped rookie since Lebron joining, a great PG, great young talent from top to bottom, a balanced team, etc.
They clearly were one piece away from being great, and Lebron is that piece. It doesn't take away from the greatness of Bron, since he is the best in the league, and in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best player ever at his best, but he isn't joining some no good team with a so-so future.
Cavs have the most upside of any team in the league.

Let's do a little research, shall we?

A week ago, the world knew that Irving, Wiggins, and Blatt would be on the 2014-2015 Cavs team, correct:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...urning_cl.html

"Even the defending champion San Antonio Spurs, with 5-1 odds, are less of a favorite than the Cavs. Clearly, oddsmakers have been expecting a major shift in future betting cash on the Cavaliers -- the team was approximately 80-1 a week ago and odds have been falling as the possibility grew of a return to Ohio."

The Cavs are now a 4 to 1 favorite to win the title next season.

http://www.oddschecker.com/basketbal...avaliers/today

So prior to the decision part two, the Cavaliers with all their young talent and amazing potential held one of the worst positions per Vegas to win a ring. In addition, and as evident, no big time free agent were visiting the Cavaliers. Chicago, Dallas, Houston, even the Los Angeles Lakers were being visited and explored as possible destinations where NBA players could grow, establish, develop into NBA champions.

You guys are full of shit.

[Mr. Jabbar]

negged

[Roundball_Rock]

As of right now, all this is speculation. They're not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They only become relevant because of Lebron.

Exactly. The Cavs have a ton of potential but right now they are a team that would be projected to win 40 games absent LeBron. If LeBron wanted to ring chase he could have joined guaranteed contenders like the Bulls, Clippers, Rockets, Mavericks, the Suns (the Suns would be legitimate contenders with LeBron)--or he could have remained in Miami with a team that had been to four consecutive Finals, a GM who has proven he can build contenders from scratch numerous times (Riley did it within a year as a coach in New York, within a year of getting to Miami in the mid-90's, rebuild them in the mid-2000's after Zo's health problems, and then again in 2010). Even if Miami is on the descent, they still were the favorite to win the East with LeBron and Riley has proven he can quickly improve teams. Cleveland is a much bigger gamble than Miami.

that 33 win team added a #1 pick in Andrew Wiggins and is most likely to land a top 5 PF in the league and then you add Lebron to that team

Wiggins is 19 years old. What impact is he going to have in his first two years? Love is, again, speculation--and that likely will require dealing said #1 pick.

If you removed Lebron from the 2013-14 Heat, how many games would they have won with Wade missing that many games?

Most stacked team of all-time with LeBron but scrubs without him?

I just love the double standard, how when LeBron decided to sign here, we turned from a team full of draft busts that couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, to a championship caliber supporting cast with all the young talent in the world.

Great point. The East is weak whenever it is convenient to diminish LeBron but now the 10th place team in the East is being hyped as a juggernaut?