Lets end this debate ONCE AND FOR ALL: Who's to blame for the 2011 Finals loss.

[Dragic4Life]

Here's your answer, OP.

Already gave my reply and dispute. Anymore from you sportJAMES23?

[PJR]

As pauk said, Wade was hogging the ball and isolating Lebron from "his" team.

And you, Pauk, and all the other imbeciles who swear by that nonsense are idiots.

Wade was no more aggressive than he was in the 2011 Eastern Semis against Boston where averaged 30-6-5, than he was in the 2011 Finals. And that didn't deter LeBron from being engaged through-out that series.

LeBron was terrible, and disengaged through no fault but his own.

[Roundball_Rock]

The real reason the the heat lost though was because the mavs were way too hot. The team was severely underrated with jason terry playing his best basketball, defensive juggernauts in chandler and marion and snipers of barea.

The Mavs swept the 57 win two-time defending NBA champs and three-time defending West champs that year.

[riseagainst]

As pauk said, Wade was hogging the ball and isolating Lebron from "his" team.

Here you go:

2011 finals stats:

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

in case you don't know what GMSC (gamescore) is, it is: rough measure of a player's productivity in a game. 10 = average performance. So Lebron is slightly above average in the series, while Wade is worth more than 2 average players.

Wade beats Lebron in every stat except in AST% which is only .1% less. Think of it like this, Lebron was looking to pass on every possession and he still only ended up with the same assist rate as Wade, while wade was way more aggressive to score. All this while playing almost 30 minutes less than Lebron.

look at their turnovers. Lebron was twice as likely to turn it over than Wade, you want the ball in his hands even more?

[Droid101]

Already gave my reply and dispute. Anymore from you sportJAMES23?

No, you copypasta'd a couple of lame homers.

Ball hogging? Give me a ****ing break. James was literally just standing in corners. Cut! Get in post position! Or was JJ Barea too tough to beat on the block?

[dh144498]

Here you go:

2011 finals stats:

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

in case you don't know what GMSC (gamescore) is, it is: rough measure of a player's productivity in a game. 10 = average performance. So Lebron is slightly above average in the series, while Wade is worth more than 2 average players.

Wade beats Lebron in every stat except in AST% which is only .1% less. Think of it like this, Lebron was looking to pass on every possession and he still only ended up with the same assist rate as Wade, while wade was way more aggressive to score

dam....

[Dragic4Life]

No, you copypasta'd a couple of lame homers.

Ball hogging? Give me a ****ing break. James was literally just standing in corners. Cut! Get in post position! Or was JJ Barea too tough to beat on the block?

JJ wasn't the only one defending Lebron.

Lebron went up against a zone.

Even freakin' Mark Cuban explained how they defeated the Heat here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkVnlA9CJo

[Droid101]

Here you go:

2011 finals stats:

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

in case you don't know what GMSC (gamescore) is, it is: rough measure of a player's productivity in a game. 10 = average performance. So Lebron is slightly above average in the series, while Wade is worth more than 2 average players.

Wade beats Lebron in every stat except in AST% which is only .1% less. Think of it like this, Lebron was looking to pass on every possession and he still only ended up with the same assist rate as Wade, while wade was way more aggressive to score

Murder.

/thread

Go home, turn out the lights.

[Milbuck]

Dirk or Lebron. Take your pick, they both had solid cases as Dallas' FMVP.

[Dragic4Life]

Murder.

/thread

Go home, turn out the lights.

I don't see any of this so-called "murder" post.

Where bro? Where?

[juju151111]

The Mavs swept the 57 win two-time defending NBA champs and three-time defending West champs that year.

Seriously stop sucking LJ off. This guy choked. They were up 1-0 and he choked in game 2. Up 2-1 and then choked in Game 4 n the rest of the series. This guy scored 8 ****ing points in a close game.

[fpliii]

People are blaming Wade in any way, shape, or form for that loss? God, this ****ing forum.

If someone is to be blamed, it's unquestionably LeBron. There is no discussion to be had. However, the Mavs don't get anywhere near enough credit for gameplanning in that series. There's a lot more validity to Dallas being prepared than there is to the LeBron choking narrative.

[Dragic4Life]

From Mark Cuban:

''Lebron actually made the right play more often than not. He made the right pass to the right guy who didn't make the right play. That's exactly what we wanted. ''

Wade was to be blamed, he was the "right guy who didn't make the right play."

[juju151111]

People are blaming Wade in any way, shape, or form for that loss? God, this ****ing forum.

If someone is to be blamed, it's unquestionably LeBron. There is no discussion to be had. However, the Mavs don't get anywhere near enough credit for gameplanning in that series. There's a lot more validity to Dallas being prepared than there is to the LeBron choking narrative.

No it wasn't. LJ handed them it. They were leading the series multiple times and he kept choking massive ly.

[Milbuck]

From Mark Cuban:

Wade was to be blamed, he was the "right guy who didn't make the right play."

Lebron had a net on/off RTG of -14.6 in the playoffs