Top 5 Reasons for Jordan Over Lebron

[SpecialQue]

Better player.



Better actor.



Better underwear salesman.



Better facial hair.



Better post-championship celebration.

[3ball]

you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?

This is the common response from Lebron fans who marvel at Jordan's 6 for 6 and figure it must have been due to great teammates.

But the facts are that Jordan carried the largest load EVER in the playoffs, as measured by scoring output, shot attempts, and usage.

In order to win his rings, Jordan had to score way more, take far more shots, and have a much higher usage than Lebron, or anyone in history.

You are just marveling at the 6 for 6 and thinking that his teammates must have been awesome... they weren't good enough to prevent Jordan from having to carry the largest load in history - (scoring output, shot attempts, usage).

[mehyaM24]

Jordan stans getting ethered left and right!

article was too long, so i had to cut it up in sections. suffice to say, everything in there speaks volumes. lebron is just a more versatile better player, as his numbers suggest.

[mehyaM24]

another article detailing specific reasons why lebron, when its all said and done, will be greater.

*On Monday night, in game four of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals, LeBron James broke Michael Jordan's playoff record for most games with at least 25 points, five rebounds, and five assists. It was another milestone for the Miami Heat superstar. As the Heat get ready to try to close out the series in Indiana tonight, it's time to admit that James has now taken Jordan's place as the greatest of all time. But you will never hear the former-players-turned-commentators admit it.

Guys like Steve Kerr (who recently left TV to coach Golden State), Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, and Shaquille O'Neal will never give LeBron the crown. Former coaches can see greatness right off the bat. It's something you can't teach. Ex-players have a tendency of hating on the new stars who take their place. Sure, Barkley and friends will always have praise for LeBron, but they will never say he is the GOAT. They all played in the Jordan era and are endorsed by Michael. They wouldn't say anything to make him mad.

Like Jordan, LeBron quickly realized he wouldn't win championships with teammates who couldn't knock down shots when he passed them the ball. That's why he's in Miami and won't return to Cleveland. LeBron has surpassed Jordan in every facet of the game, though. Jordan had to learn to pass the ball, but finding the open man is part of LeBron's instinct since he was winning championships at the high school level. Every dunk Jordan did, LeBron can do better. He can cover five positions on the court, even center. Jordan couldn't do that.

It's been 11 years since Jordan played a game. Every new NBA fan since then doesn't know anything about Jordan except his old highlights on YouTube. They are tuning in to watch LeBron rule the NBA.

Off the court, LeBron is a better teammate than Jordan was. Michael would never have visited a teammate having a poor series to cheer him up like LeBron (along with Dwyane Wade) did with Chris Bosh. Jordan was always flying out to the casinos or wherever he hung out on his own. When the Chicago Bulls came down to play Miami during the Jordan era, all the players would come to my nightclub. The only one who didn't show up was Michael.

However, you will not see any commentators who played at the same time as Jordan say LeBron is the best ever. Jordan never faced the criticism and opinions of ex-players like LeBron has either. Jordan never had to worry about someone like Barkley saying Wilt Chamberlain was the best because he's the only player to score 100 points in one game. Hell, Barkley is the biggest hypocrite. He says LeBron should go back to Cleveland, yet Barkley bounced around teams like a groupie chasing a ring throughout his career.

It's time these hall-of-fame pundits acknowledge LeBron's place in history.

very well written

[3ball]

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would've done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - because it WAS feasible - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.

The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.

The strengths of each team's offense affects the game's momentum (confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc.)... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.

A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.

So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.

But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense)), Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.

[Real14]

This is like saying 2pac over lil wayne

[3ball]

6. Didn't ring chase in his prime... twice.

^^^^ this is so huge - what human being doesn't want a do-over 7 years into their career where they get to pick their new organization and all-star supporting cast?... and then get to do it again!!!!


Regarding the 2014 Finals, people forget that Miami's offense was the worst of any Spurs opponent and their bad offense hurt them just as much as their defense.


That is part of the reason Dallas, OKC and Portland all did better than the Heat - they all had better offenses that didn't fuel Spurs momentum by leaving Spurs buckets unanswered - their better offenses could answer Spurs buckets to prevent Spurs momentum from boiling over, which made it easier for them defensively... Otoh, Miami had the worst offense, so their offense left the Spurs buckets unanswered, which fueled Spurs momentum and made it harder for Miami defensively - a bad offense that can't curb opponent momentum and makes it harder for your defense = blowout.


Given that the Heat needed better offense to stay with the Spurs, you have to look to Lebron to see how much he can carry - and when 21 out of the last 24 years, the team leader in shot attempts from the Finals winning-team took a higher proportion of his team's shots than Lebron took in 2014, it is fair to say that he didn't carry a big enough load.

[DJ Leon Smith]

you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?

Jordan is one of the few players to have won a title + Finals MVP without an all-star teammate.

[Lebron23]

Jordan is one of the few players to have won a title + Finals MVP without an all-star teammate.

This is a a troll thread, but Pippen should have been an all star in 1991.

[TheMan]

OP, tell us something we didn't already know...

[The_Pharcyde]

Why do people feel the need to reiterate this all the time

Only the fools still think lbj is better than Jordan, let them be fools

Why don't we just enjoy lebrons game
Sure he isn't the greatest of all
Time, but c'mon are we really gonna shit on a guy cause he isn't the greatest
Foolish thinking

[DJ Leon Smith]

This is a a troll thread, but Pippen should have been an all star in 1991.

Shoulda-coulda-woulda. He wasn't. So your LeBron stan brothers can drop the "all-time stacked" talked. Don't take it up with me take it up with them.

[TheMan]

another article detailing specific reasons why lebron, when its all said and done, will be greater.

*On Monday night, in game four of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals, LeBron James broke Michael Jordan's playoff record for most games with at least 25 points, five rebounds, and five assists. It was another milestone for the Miami Heat superstar. As the Heat get ready to try to close out the series in Indiana tonight, it's time to admit that James has now taken Jordan's place as the greatest of all time. But you will never hear the former-players-turned-commentators admit it.

Guys like Steve Kerr (who recently left TV to coach Golden State), Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, and Shaquille O'Neal will never give LeBron the crown. Former coaches can see greatness right off the bat. It's something you can't teach. Ex-players have a tendency of hating on the new stars who take their place. Sure, Barkley and friends will always have praise for LeBron, but they will never say he is the GOAT. They all played in the Jordan era and are endorsed by Michael. They wouldn't say anything to make him mad.

Like Jordan, LeBron quickly realized he wouldn't win championships with teammates who couldn't knock down shots when he passed them the ball. That's why he's in Miami and won't return to Cleveland. LeBron has surpassed Jordan in every facet of the game, though. Jordan had to learn to pass the ball, but finding the open man is part of LeBron's instinct since he was winning championships at the high school level. Every dunk Jordan did, LeBron can do better. He can cover five positions on the court, even center. Jordan couldn't do that.

It's been 11 years since Jordan played a game. Every new NBA fan since then doesn't know anything about Jordan except his old highlights on YouTube. They are tuning in to watch LeBron rule the NBA.

Off the court, LeBron is a better teammate than Jordan was. Michael would never have visited a teammate having a poor series to cheer him up like LeBron (along with Dwyane Wade) did with Chris Bosh. Jordan was always flying out to the casinos or wherever he hung out on his own. When the Chicago Bulls came down to play Miami during the Jordan era, all the players would come to my nightclub. The only one who didn't show up was Michael.

However, you will not see any commentators who played at the same time as Jordan say LeBron is the best ever. Jordan never faced the criticism and opinions of ex-players like LeBron has either. Jordan never had to worry about someone like Barkley saying Wilt Chamberlain was the best because he's the only player to score 100 points in one game. Hell, Barkley is the biggest hypocrite. He says LeBron should go back to Cleveland, yet Barkley bounced around teams like a groupie chasing a ring throughout his career.

It's time these hall-of-fame pundits acknowledge LeBron's place in history.

very well written

[3ball]

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[Lebron23]

Shoulda-coulda-woulda. He wasn't. So your LeBron stan brothers can drop the "all-time stacked" talked. Don't take it up with me take it up with them.

You and the Op needs to get a room, and go F*ck yourselves.