95 Rockets vs. 01 Lakers

[Eric Cartman]

LAZERUSS putting bitches in their place

[millwad]

Duncan abused the Laker PFs throughout the Laker-Spurs H2H post-season series, but he always struggled mightily in the 4th quarters when Jackson would move Shaq on him.

The same Shaq who let old ass Dikembe average average 17 points on 60% shooting in the playoffs? If a 34 year old Dikembe who was a limited offensive player could make 60% of his shots while averaging 17 points on Shaq, the '95 version of Olajuwon would do much more impressive things.

[millwad]

LAZERUS putting bitches in their place

Yeah, putting your mother in her place while copying other peep's break downs because he is clueless himself.

[LAZERUSS]

Haha, you're the same clown who claims that Kareem got murdered in '72 by Wilt. Wilt got absolutely slaughtered, Kareem averaged 40% on 50% shooting against prime defensive Wilt in the regular season.

And in the playoffs Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points per game while shooting the ball with a better FG%, while shooting FT's twice as good and while outassisting Wilt.

That's pure abuse and you still want to give the edge to Wilt based on two articles, you didn't even post the stats in the beginning when you claimed that Kareem got "murdered" (your own words) and it was first when Fatal9 exposed your bogus that you started with the "stats don't matter, I have 2 articles that proves my point".

So now we have a series from '95, all media, all fans, all players and Shaq himself gave the edge to Hakeem and here you are acting like you know anything. I was the one who clowned you when you even couldn't break down one single game. You didn't even see the series, just like you didn't see Wilt play.

Your mom should have swallowed you, Jeff.

Again, Chamberlain played 27 of his 28 H2H games against a PEAK KAJ, at ages 34-36, and on a surgically repaired knee. And he statistically outplayed him in their first 11 meetings, and then reduced a PEAK KAJ to a .457 shooter in the '72 WCF's, including a .414 FG% in the last four pivotal H2H games of that series. Then, in their six H2H's in Wilt's last season, he held KAJ to a .450 FG% (while shooting .737 himself), and in fact, even outscored him in one game, 24-21, while outshooting him 10-14 to 10-27.

What we never witnessed was an absolute PEAK Chamberlain against a peak Kareem. We do know, however, that a PRIME Chamberlain dominated several of the same centers that a PEAK Kareem would face, to a FAR greater extent than KAJ did.

As for Hakeem-Shaq. Shaq outplayed Hakeem over the course of the career H2H's by a solid margin, and a prime Shaq just slaughtered him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01

Just a one-sided beatdown in all facets of the game...

[T_L_P]

Duncan abused the Laker PFs throughout the Laker-Spurs H2H post-season series, but he always struggled mightily in the 4th quarters when Jackson would move Shaq on him.

Okay...point? Duncan didn't have a good series at all against them in 01. Doesn't mean that team they put out there was very good.

[dubeta]

Prime Shaq + scrubs vs Prime Hakeem + scrubs

[LAZERUSS]

First of all, the fact that you had to copy and paste another guy's break down only confirms the fact that you didn't even see the series, what kind of clown would use another break-down than his/her own while trying to argue for it.

And what kind of bogus break-down would "miss" the fact that Shaq was in foul trouble all series long and that he had the highest turnover per game average among centers in NBA finals history? That is just laughable.

Shaq and Hakeem EACH committed 18 PF's in that series. And while Shaq had 21 TOs, Hakeem himself had 11. In virtually every other statistical breakdown, Shaq was more dominant. True, Hakeem outscored him, 33-28 ppg in that series, BUT, he took TEN more FGAs per game to do so. Shaq outrrebounded, outassisted, and even outblocked Hakeem, and he also outscored him from the FT line...all while just murdering him from the field, .595 to .483.

And a PRIME Shaq would have just crushed that peak Hakeem.

[millwad]

Again, Chamberlain played 27 of his 28 H2H games against a PEAK KAJ, at ages 34-36, and on a surgically repaired knee. And he statistically outplayed him in their first 11 meetings, and then reduced a PEAK KAJ to a .457 shooter in the '72 WCF's, including a .414 FG% in the last four pivotal H2H games of that series. Then, in their six H2H's in Wilt's last season, he held KAJ to a .450 FG% (while shooting .737 himself), and in fact, even outscored him in one game, 24-21, while outshooting him 10-14 to 10-27.

What we never witnessed was an absolute PEAK Chamberlain against a peak Kareem. We do know, however, that a PRIME Chamberlain dominated several of the same centers that a PEAK Kareem would face, to a FAR greater extent than KAJ did.

As for Hakeem-Shaq. Shaq outplayed Hakeem over the course of the career H2H's by a solid margin, and a prime Shaq just slaughtered him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=onealsh01

Just a one-sided beatdown in all facets of the game...

The beat down Wilt faced by Kareem in '72, was nothing like the beating old Hakeem recieved by Shaq.

Wilt got slaughtered in '72, Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting. There's nothing you can come up with that justifies the fact that prime defensive Wilt got absolutely destroyed by Kareem.

And no one, not even yourself believes that Wilt got the best of Kareem in the '72 playoffs.

Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points, he shot FT's twice as good and he outassisted Wilt. There's nothing you can say or come up with that will make anyone believe that Wilt didn't got destroyed. Wilt only won due to having much better teammates who covered up Wilt while he got outscored with 23 points per game on better FG%.

And there's nothing you can come up with regarding the '95 series, you couldn't even break it down yourself, you stole something from the internet. A so called break down that didn't even mention that Shaq was the most turnover center in NBA finals history that series.

ETHERED.

[millwad]

Shaq and Hakeem EACH committed 18 PF's in that series. And while Shaq had 21 TOs, Hakeem himself had 11. In virtually every other statistical breakdown, Shaq was more dominant. True, Hakeem outscored him, 33-28 ppg in that series, BUT, he took TEN more FGAs per game to do so. Shaq outrrebounded, outassisted, and even outblocked Hakeem, and he also outscored him from the FT line...all while just murdering him from the field, .595 to .483.

And a PRIME Shaq would have just crushed that peak Hakeem.

Now you're just proving even more that you didn't see the series, Shaq got some of his fouls early in games and had to sit out while the Magic had no big to go to.

And yes, Shaq averaged the most turnovers among all centers in NBA FINALS HISTORY, he turned it over at bad moments as well. Yet you never mentioned that while talking about the series, not even once, how come?

You just can't get away from this one, you have been destroyed to many times. Why do you suddenly stop trusting the media, the fans, the players and Shaq himself? You judge the whole 1972 WCF rape of Wilt based on two out of context articles but you just can't give Olajuwon the credit he is worthy of.

And if you would have seen the series you'd realize that Shaq was outplayed, that Shaq fouled in really bad periods, that Olajuwon got the best of Shaq in 2 games clearly and that Shaq was un-clutch. Shaq was inexperienced and it showed, he missed easy baskets in the end, he didn't get it done and I have breaked down the game perfectly for you.

Notice that you keep spamming about stats while I write about actual game events. You did not see the series, you didn't even know about Shaq's TO problems before I told you. You have even started new accounts on ISH to spam stupid stuff about Olajuwon, you're a clown.

[LAZERUSS]

The beat down Wilt faced by Kareem in '72, was nothing like the beating old Hakeem recieved by Shaq.

Wilt got slaughtered in '72, Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting. There's nothing you can come up with that justifies the fact that prime defensive Wilt got absolutely destroyed by Kareem.

And no one, not even yourself believes that Wilt got the best of Kareem in the '72 playoffs.

Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points, he shot FT's twice as good and he outassisted Wilt. There's nothing you can say or come up with that will make anyone believe that Wilt didn't got destroyed. Wilt only won due to having much better teammates who covered up Wilt while he got outscored with 23 points per game on better FG%.

And there's nothing you can come up with regarding the '95 series, you couldn't even break it down yourself, you stole something from the internet. A so called break down that didn't even mention that Shaq was the most turnover center in NBA finals history that series.

ETHERED.

A 38-39 year old Kareem, in TEN STRAIGHT H2H's with a 23-24 Hakeem... 32 ppg on an unfathomable .621 FG%. Hell, a PEAK Kareem had ONE game, in his 28 H2H's with an OLD Wilt, in which he shot over 60% from the floor. In 23 career H2H's with Hakeem, a 38-42 year old KAJ had 12 in which he shot 60%+, and a staggering FOUR in which he shot over 70%! Again, in those 23 H2H's with Hakeem, a near-retired Kareem shot .607 overall.

A PEAK Kareem shot .464 in his 28 career H2H's with Wilt, 27 of which came when Wilt was 34-36, and playing on a surgically repaired knee.

Oh, and Kareem had a CAREER FG% of .559. He shot 10% LOWER against Wilt in his 28 H2H's with Chamberlain, and 5% HIGHER (at ages 38-42) against a 23-26 year old Hakeem.

Of course, Kareem could score at will against Hakeem at times, as well. He hung THREE games of 40+, including a 46 point game (again, on 70% shooting), and in only 37 minutes. Hakeem's coach was ripped afterwards for allowing the bloodshed, and in fact, put Sampson on KAJ in the WCF's.

[millwad]

A 38-39 year old Kareem, in TEN STRAIGHT H2H's with a 23-24 Hakeem... 32 ppg on an unfathomable .621 FG%. Hell, a PEAK Kareem had ONE game, in his 28 H2H's with an OLD Wilt, in which he shot over 60% from the floor. In 23 career H2H's with Hakeem, a 38-42 year old KAJ had 12 in which he shot 60%+, and a staggering FOUR in which he shot over 70%! Again, in those 23 H2H's with Hakeem, a near-retired Kareem shot .607 overall.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, you cherry pick so much that it's not even funny. You're a miserable old fart who thinks you know anything but you get abused every single time.

We all know that Kareem had his way with Olajuwon in his rookie season and against Olajuwon as a 2nd year pro, that was 'til the playoffs started.

Olajuwon absolutely destroyed Kareem in the '86 playoffs, he destroyed every big the Lakers put on him and everyone knows it. And he did it as a 2nd year pro, he lead his team against the prior year's champs and against one of the best team's of all-time... as a 2nd year pro.

Keep spamming about regular season games, when it all counted the 2nd year pro Olajuwon destroyed Kareem and the Lakers.

Here's a video since you prob never saw it as everything else you claim you know anything about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6xJBnNIfiQ

[houston]

01 Lakers wins this

[deja vu]

Hakeem would make Shaq work on defense. I think the center battle would be close.

I can see this going 7 games.

[Thorn]

this thread turning from 95 Rockets vs 01 Lakers to mostly Wilt vs Kareem

[eliteballer]

Epic matchup.

Shaq and Hakeem aren't destroying one another even if one outplays the other.

Rockets have a more talented supporting cast.

I think the deciding factor here is that at this point Kobe was better than Drexler ever was, let alone a declining Glyde.