Bron myths

[3ball]

...nah, man. nah. look at the Chicago player in the background (near the far sideline). does his head look level with the rim? he's obviously standing on the floor... if the camera is looking down, then anything farther away will appear higher up than anything closer... if the camera is looking up, then it will be the opposite of what I just said. just think about it.

The player in the background near the far sideline that you reference - he is standing 15 feet away from the rim - he is far from the rim so of course it can look distorted.

My comment that downward camera angles don't overstate the elevation of a player refers to players close to/right at the rim, not for players with material distance away from the rim... In the GIF below, a downward camera angle can't show Jordan's head above the rim if his head isn't really above the rim.. that seems pretty clear.





Also, the shot of Lebron with his head at the rim is the exact same type of downward camera angle as the Jordan shot above - so if the Jordan shot above overstates how high he is, then so does the Lebron shot.
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[Trollsmasher]

[Prometheus]

The player in the background near the far sideline that you reference - he is standing 15 feet away from the rim - he is far from the rim so of course it can look distorted.

My comment that downward camera angles don't overstate the elevation of a player refers to players close to/right at the rim, not for players with material distance away from the rim... In the GIF below, a downward camera angle can't show Jordan's head above the rim if his head isn't really above the rim.. that seems pretty clear.





Also, the shot of Lebron with his head at the rim is the exact same type of downward camera angle as the Jordan shot above - so if the Jordan shot above overstates how high he is, then so does the Lebron shot.
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Dude... this is really simple, and I'm honestly starting to get frustrated at how dense you're being. I really don't mean any disrespect, but this is very basic spatial recognition...

Here's a concept that might trigger you to realize that you're wrong. Does the far side of the rim in your picture look like it's higher than the near side? Of course it does, because you're looking down at the rim... does the far side of the rim have material distance from the near side? No, of course not, it's two basketball-widths (the diameter of an NBA rim) away from it. This same concept explains why Jordan's elevation looks significantly higher in the picture than it really was.

Again, I'm not taking anything away from Jordan's vertical. It's probably one of a handful that are the greatest in basketball history. His vertical is obviously superior to LeBron's. But your exaggeration via this picture is a result of poor spatial intelligence. Sorry.

[TheGreatDeraj]

"Bron is a better playmaker than MJ"

"Bron is a better rebounder than MJ"

"Bron is a better finisher then MJ"

"Bron is a better athlete then MJ"

All myths.

Jordan is a better playmaker than Lebron. Lebron overpasses and gives up too many opportunities to score for a pass to a lesser player further away from the basket. Jordan is more aggressive offensively and makes the right play more often.

Rebounding is debatable. Jordan has more skill rebounding, but Lebron is bigger making it easier to get position against bigger guys for the board. However, you rarely see Lebron banging on the boards even though his teams in Miami needed his size for rebounding.

Jordan is by far a better finisher. Jordan had way more versatility in his finishing game. He could finish over anyone with any move. Lebron will bulldoze his way to the rim and if he can't do that he will just kick it out for three.

Lebron is a better athlete than Jordan. Nobody except maybe Shaq has had the physical advantage like Lebron does every time he steps on the court. Bigger, stronger and just as fast.

[3ball]

In this NEW camera angle above, if you draw a straight line from the rim to Lebron, it is clear that the rim is level with Lebron's nose/mouth - the way Lebron's body is contorted and because the picture is zoomed in, he can initially look like he's higher than this.. He can also look higher than nose/mouth level in the original camera angle as well, due to the same closer camera shot and body contortion.

More importantly, we can also see from this new camera angle that he is several feet from the basket, so this means his elevation in the original camera angle is overstated.

In the Jordan picture, it is hard to think Jordan's mouth is not level with the rim as it appears to be, especially considering that Jordan's face is maybe an inch or two from the rim in the picture... and again, in this new picture of Lebron, we can see that he is several feet from the basket, so his elevation is overstated in the original downward-shooting angle (where it looks like he could be shoulder-high to the rim, but in the new angle we see that he's only nose/mouth-high to the rim).

Also, the original angle of Lebron was the same downward-shooting camera angle as the Jordan picture, so I would expect that if we had a 2nd angle for Jordan like we have for Lebron above, it would reflect that the rim is ALSO level with Jordan's nose/mouth.
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