If you've seen Team USA players for the first time

[SpanishACB]

. There is no star player in Euroleague, only few prospects and role players among hundreds of no hopers.

What's a star player? Harden? Curry? Faried?

[Rooster]

can we stop using the amateur rules term?

If anything, removing rules to make it easier for players to attack and to travel should be called amateurizing the rules.

It's like changing the rules of soccer so you can only pass forward and remove the goals so you only have to run fast. USA would finally stand a chance, but don't call a different approach to sport ruling amateur when it's much more pure to the sport. Only sports in America get their rules tweaked with the only purpose of improving TV ratings, like keeping a 40% volume scorer on the field while he jacks up contested 3s and turns it over.

Actually it does not even matter, we won 56 games in row, 41 official game by average of 30 points. Spain is our bridesmaids when we send our best players like Olympics.

[Rooster]

What's a star player? Harden? Curry? Faried?

They are absolutely better than Rudy, Sergio and Felipe Reyes.

[Frozen1]

Um, what? He was by far our nation's best player in 2008, and especially 2012. Offensively, and defensively.

LOL @ this guy. Delusional brainwashed lebron stan. Kobe and Wade say hi.

[SpanishACB]

They are absolutely better than Rudy, Sergio and Felipe Reyes.

you're like the opposite version of the user Euroleague

but not in a good way

[Rooster]

you're like the opposite version of the user Euroleague

but not in a good way

Thanks for the compliment. Sorry to cockblocked you but its like naming Justin Doellman as Spanish ACB MVP Obscure college player from mid major who average 10 ppg. Weak league.

[SpanishACB]

Thanks for the compliment. Sorry to cockblocked you but its like naming Justin Doellman as Spanish ACB MVP Obscure college player from mid major who average 10 ppg. Weak league.

you're having a conversation with yourself there buddy, I merely asked a simple question and you were unable to deliver.

If you feel accomplished thinking you're trolling someone, by all means continue having this debate with yourself.

[fandarko]

They are absolutely better than Rudy, Sergio and Felipe Reyes.

I agree they are better players, but put them in FIBA only environment for year and then we can talk.

Faried is 13/9/2 in 28 minutes at best, nowhere near a star.

Harden is is 19/4/4 in 27 minutes, a borderline.

Curry is 16/7 tops in 29 minutes, borderline star.

And this is not in powerhouses such as Barcelona and Real, doubt they would average that in such systems where 12 guys get to play.

What is a "star" in Europe? Manu wasn't a star before he left for the NBA, Parker wasn't either. Dirk either. Kirilenko was the closest to that definition.

It's a different, team oriented concept. Great players maybe, but not stars in the NBA sense.

You put Harden in the Euroleague without prior knowledge of who he is and while he would certainly be good (see ideal case scenario stats above), he would be nowhere near a star, unless he leads a team to the Euroleague title.

I doubt it in view of his style of play and skillset. He would have to play a stacked team. But then again, he wouldn't have enough touches to put up big numbers then.

Curry even less, no space for shooting like he does, no space for fancy dribbles, 25 minutes per night at most.

Put them in the NBA setting and they are superstars.

Both environments and rules set are legit, it's just the way it is.

The best European players play in the NBA, no wonder there are no stars.

[fandarko]

Thanks for the compliment. Sorry to cockblocked you but its like naming Justin Doellman as Spanish ACB MVP Obscure college player from mid major who average 10 ppg. Weak league.

Well, max player Chandler Parsons averaged 10 ppg during the last lockout in a never-heard-about French Team. The same with Ty Lawson in Lithuania. Deron Williams was trash in Turkey and in the third-rate Eurocup competition, except for that one game. But remember - he actually had star treatment, while looking completely ordinary.

[oarabbus]

It has been a huge frustration to me that the games are just so different. I would be in full support of making them more and more similar. I think allowing the defense to set in the lane cuts off way too much and would want FIBA to go to the 3 second or defend a player. The NBA can cave on every thing else.

That way we can have a world game and Champions can compete around the globe.

Nah man no way. Do you play 3 seconds when you play pickup ball? No way FIBA implements a 3 seconds, honestly it doesn't make sense. MAYBE a 5 seconds in the paint rule would be alright.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think you are overstating things a bit. Not sure what your general point is, either TBH.

The FIBA rules are adjustable, only major difference is the countries' continuity. Team USA hasn't practiced or taken international play serious until 2008. Since, they've been undefeated. You ask why the games are close? Once again, lack of team chemistry and practice. Most of these guys are dedicated to their pro league where they get paid millions, while concerned with THEIR franchises' success.

Culture obviously plays a HUGE part in this.

[chips93]

LOL @ this guy. Delusional brainwashed lebron stan. Kobe and Wade say hi.

i doubt samuraiswish has ever been accused of being a lebron stan, and i doubt it ever happens again

[Rooster]

I agree they are better players, but put them in FIBA only environment for year and then we can talk.

Faried is 13/9/2 in 28 minutes at best, nowhere near a star.

Harden is is 19/4/4 in 27 minutes, a borderline.

Curry is 16/7 tops in 29 minutes, borderline star.

And this is not in powerhouses such as Barcelona and Real, doubt they would average that in such systems where 12 guys get to play.

What is a "star" in Europe? Manu wasn't a star before he left for the NBA, Parker wasn't either. Dirk either. Kirilenko was the closest to that definition.

It's a different, team oriented concept. Great players maybe, but not stars in the NBA sense.

You put Harden in the Euroleague without prior knowledge of who he is and while he would certainly be good (see ideal case scenario stats above), he would be nowhere near a star, unless he leads a team to the Euroleague title.

I doubt it in view of his style of play and skillset. He would have to play a stacked team. But then again, he wouldn't have enough touches to put up big numbers then.

Curry even less, no space for shooting like he does, no space for fancy dribbles, 25 minutes per night at most.

Put them in the NBA setting and they are superstars.

Both environments and rules set are legit, it's just the way it is.

The best European players play in the NBA, no wonder there are no stars.

Do I have to remind you that there are more Americans that are named

Euroleague MVP, Final Four MVP, All Euroleague First and Second team than any nation in Europe. And these guys were scrubs, rejects, never were, has beens and role players at best.

Anthony Parker 5 years of Euroleague
3 Euroleague titles
2 Euroleague MVPs
1 Final four MVPs
Named to Euroleague All Decade team
Named to Euroleague 35 Greatest Players.

Of course numbers will be down if you play less minutes together with players as good as you in a great team. Even Michael Jordan number was down when he played with Dream Team.

[Rooster]

Well, max player Chandler Parsons averaged 10 ppg during the last lockout in a never-heard-about French Team. The same with Ty Lawson in Lithuania. Deron Williams was trash in Turkey and in the third-rate Eurocup competition, except for that one game. But remember - he actually had star treatment, while looking completely ordinary.

Deron Williams jersey was retired after playing for a month with them. That's is extraordinary and unusual . Ariza looks like a scrub at UCLA while Ed O Bannon was a superstar. But does it matter now. what you did at your peak at the highest level is more important.

[oarabbus]

LOL @ this guy. Delusional brainwashed lebron stan. Kobe and Wade say hi.

You aint from round these parts are yeh?