Is CP3 The Most Overrated Player?

[Milbuck]

CP3 is to Parker like Wilt is to Russell.

I've joked about it before, but Russell was an insanely high impact player and his team would most likely have collapsed without him. Can't say the same about Parker. Watching the playoffs this past year, I'm not sold on his impact being on the same level of CP3/Westbrook/Curry in that top-tier.

[aj1987]

lol, only 56 games.

Since we are counting wins they actually won 57. They had injuries and a first year coach. 57 wins isnt good? Get out here with that shit.

Not when you have a "top 3" player in CP3, 24/10/4 BG, a 10/14 defensive centre in DJ, the 6th MOY, etc. The Thunder were basically worse at EVERY spot and they managed to win 59 games.

[navy]

I do actually think Westbrook is better than Cp3, so there is that...

However, it's pretty amazing how you guys straight up change your criteria for certain players. How can you sit here and talk about records and playoffs and then put Davis, Curry and Blake ahead of CP3. He's had way more success then they have. Hell, he plays on blakes team and let's be honest, CP3 was the best player and most important during the playoffs.

[navy]

Not when you have a "top 3" player in CP3, 24/10/4 BG, a 10/14 defensive centre in DJ, the 6th MOY, etc. The Thunder were basically worse at EVERY spot and they managed to win 59 games.

Only CP3 could be critiqued for 57 wins in a tough conference. And then get called overrated for it.

[oarabbus]

I've joked about it before, but Russell was an insanely high impact player and his team would most likely have collapsed without him. Can't say the same about Parker. Watching the playoffs this past year, I'm not sold on his impact being on the same level of CP3/Westbrook/Curry in that top-tier.

No doubt this past season, Ginobili was the difference maker at guard. But think back to the finals before that, Parker was absolutely huge. But I guess Pop did show the Spurs are deep enough to roll without Parker.

[Heavincent]

Why? They both have a solid case..Westbrook outplayed CP3 in the playoffs. And through the eye test as well as various impact and shooting efficiency metrics, Curry is ****ing unreal. His defense is holding him back...but Curry imo is one of the most dynamic offensive PGs in history.

I don't know why. It's another reason why I feel he's just a bit overrated. He's NOT the undisputed best PG.

And yeah, Curry is basketball porn.

[oarabbus]

Only CP3 could be critiqued for 57 wins in a tough conference. And then get called overrated for it.

That's not necessarily true. He's being called overrated when putting his entire career into context... which is fair.

[navy]

That's not necessarily true. He's being called overrated when putting his entire career into context... which is fair.

Not really, because that was literally a reason aj just cited.

He isnt overrated, people just get mad when he's called the best pg or a top 5 or higher player or the best pg in the game. The truth is that is just the way things are. His complete pg set has rarely been seen and even 70% of gms will continue to call him the best pg in anonymous surveys with nothing to gain. He really is just that good. Not the best player in the nba, but no shame in where he is usually ranked, especially hen you look at his package of pg skills.

If you want to say certain players are better than him fine, but put forth some actual reasoning not some superficial stuff like second round exits when other players havent even made the playoffs. My biggest pet peeve.

I never thought he was better than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Durant etc. But that doesnt mean he is somehow overrated because of it. Or not reaching the levels of success they have.

[Graviton]

I bash CP3 at times for his passiveness but who else would you have at #2 with Durant injured? Only Westbrook has a case but his consistency in the regular season is questionable, and he is still young and developing. Davis hasn't done jack shit yet and is all hype and "potential" talk. Curry is the overrated one to me due to his one-dimensional playstyle. He relies on 3s too much, and if his jumper isn't falling he is done. That's not a style that wins you playoff games. I say this as someone from the Bay that gets all the Golden State games for free and watches almost all of them. He is fool's gold and just has people blinded by his flashy plays.


CP3 is a consistent veteran that has the media behind him, and for a good reason. Even after his injuries and nearing 30 he is still the best PG in the league. Only "overrated" part about him are his fans that say "its not even close", he isn't the godlike 2008 Paul no more, that's the undisputed best PG of this era. But even taking that into account, only Westbrook is actually at his level currently, they are the only 2 PGs that can make a difference even if their shot isn't falling. Paul with his playmaking, leadership and defensive impact in the passing lanes and Westbrook with his rebounding, hustle and breakdowns of opposing defenses.

[Milbuck]

Not really, because that was literally a reason aj just cited.

He isnt overrated, people just get mad when he's called the best pg or a top 5 or higher player or the best pg in the game. The truth is that is just the way things are. His complete pg set has rarely been seen and even 70% of gms will continue to call him the best pg in anonymous surveys with nothing to gain. He really is just that good. Not the best player in the nba, but no shame in where he is usually ranked, especially hen you look at his package of pg skills.

If you want to say certain players are better than him fine, but put forth some actual reasoning not some superficial stuff like second round exits when other players havent even made the playoffs. My biggest pet peeve.

I never thought he was better than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Durant etc. But that doesnt mean he is somehow overrated because of it. Or not reaching the levels of success they have.

He's rated #2 though. And I'm not so sure he's top 5, let alone #2..

Is he better than Kevin Love?

Love is clowned on regularly for not making the playoffs...but are we really gonna sleep on how offensively inept his 2nd option Rubio was at every facet of offense aside from passing? Or how injury prone Pekovic was and abysmal defensively when he was healthy? How vastly less talented his team was compared to other West playoff teams? And he still put up monster stats and dragged them to 40 wins. Is current CP3 capable of doing that?

What exactly would Kevin Love do if you replaced him for CP3 on the Clippers, and swapped in a Blake-level PG (top 3 PG) for Blake...say, Curry?

Steph Curry / Darren Collison
JJ Redick / Jamal Crawford
Matt Barnes / Danny Granger
Kevin Love / Hedo Turkoglu
Deandre Jordan / Glen Davis

Coached by Doc Rivers..

[T_L_P]

CP3 is/was a great individual player in the Playoffs (basically a 20/11 guy with great efficiency and defense).

Problem is, when youre a true PG, you need to make your teammates better. And he's better at doing that in the regular season than he is the postseason.

Still, his regular season contributions, particularly in New Orleans, are only behind LeBron's as far as active players (better than Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, KG, Durant).

[Heavincent]

Curry is the overrated one to me due to his one-dimensional playstyle. He relies on 3s too much, and if his jumper isn't falling he is done.

You know what the problem with this argument is? Curry hardly ever goes cold. He's actually pretty damn efficient...more efficient than Westbrook. Even when he does have an off shooting night, defenses will always be scared shitless of him, so the threat is always there.

[aj1987]

Not really, because that was literally a reason aj just cited.

When CP3 was out for 18 games, BG carried the clippers to a 12-6 record averaging 28/8/4. Without the "best" player on the Clippers. I'm not saying that CP3 is a bad player. Dude is a GREAT player, but he's definitely not top 5.

I Curry is the overrated one to me due to his one-dimensional playstyle. He relies on 3s too much, and if his jumper isn't falling he is done. That's not a style that wins you playoff games.

Curry takes 30% of his shots from the midrange and make ~50% of them. He's pretty decent at the rim as well (60%). Heck, Dude also manages 9 assists and 4 rebounds a game.

[navy]

He's rated #2 though. And I'm not so sure he's top 5, let alone # freaking 2..

Is he better than Kevin Love?

Love is clowned on regularly for not making the playoffs...but are we really gonna sleep on how offensively inept his 2nd option Rubio was at every facet of offense aside from passing? Or how injury prone Pekovic was and abysmal defensively when he was healthy?

What exactly would Kevin Love do if you replaced him for CP3 on the Clippers, and swapped in a Blake-level PG (top 3 PG) for Blake...say, Curry?

Steph Curry / Darren Collison
JJ Redick / Jamal Crawford
Matt Barnes / Danny Granger
Kevin Love / Hedo Turkoglu
Deandre Jordan / Glen Davis

Coached by Doc Rivers..

Kevin Love has never made the playoffs in his entire career. And yet we are here basing CP3 for first or second round exits and 57 wins. All im saying is be consistent.

Curry is the same. His success consist of a second round exit two yeas, and a first round exit to....CP3.

Put them above CP3, sure. But, I dont see why anyone would have a problem with CP3 being above them or even 2nd on this list. It's not like they have the success, crazy stat advantage, or defensive impact to say that they are really warranted in being ranked above him.

Only one I would change is Westbrook at 3 (2). But that is definitely something we can all see for ourselves at the start of the season.

[oarabbus]

I bash CP3 at times for his passiveness but who else would you have at #2 with Durant injured? Only Westbrook has a case but his consistency in the regular season is questionable, and he is still young and developing. Davis hasn't done jack shit yet and is all hype and "potential" talk. Curry is the overrated one to me due to his one-dimensional playstyle. He relies on 3s too much, and if his jumper isn't falling he is done. That's not a style that wins you playoff games. I say this as someone from the Bay that gets all the Golden State games for free and watches almost all of them. He is fool's gold and just has people blinded by his flashy plays.


CP3 is a consistent veteran that has the media behind him, and for a good reason. Even after his injuries and nearing 30 he is still the best PG in the league. Only "overrated" part about him are his fans that say "its not even close", he isn't the godlike 2008 Paul no more, that's the undisputed best PG of this era. But even taking that into account, only Westbrook is actually at his level currently, they are the only 2 PGs that can make a difference even if their shot isn't falling. Paul with his playmaking, leadership and defensive impact in the passing lanes and Westbrook with his rebounding, hustle and breakdowns of opposing defenses.

But Lillard doe, doesn't suffer from any of those problems

Let's not forget either that we took them to 7 without a key piece of our team. And Curry had a pretty good series... 23/8 on 44%. He can still pass if his jumper isn't falling.