where does Dirk rank among all time greatest PFs?

[fpliii]

2006-2007 top 5 over Kobe/LeBron/Dirk/Duncan/Nash/Wade?
2009 top 5 over LeBron/Kobe/Wade/Dirk/Howard/Paul?

Not so sure about that.

Not in the mood for a debate tonight bro, but definitely multiple people on both lists.

[RicksPlace]

1. Timmy
2. Dirk
3. KG
4.Chuck
5. Malone

This is the hardest position to rank. From 2-5 it can go either way.

[Cold soul]

Dirk is 3rd behind Duncan and Garnett.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not in the mood for a debate tonight bro, but definitely multiple people on both lists.

No problem.. I can definitely see 2003 and 2005 and some arguments for '06 and '07 aswell.

[Pointguard]

Player who shot 60% on his 2 Point shots for the majority of his prime years... A different animal scoring wise. While KG was busy taking his Jumpers while being built like a tank, Chuck took it down low with force.

what are you smoking? When was KG "built like a tank???" KG has a slim build. Dirk has a bigger build, sobeit, KG was always obviously more apt to build, bang and mix it up. He always seemed stronger than Dirk. And surely you don't have a problem with big men taking jumpers? At least you shouldn't if you aren't bipolar.

Barkley and Dirk are most alike. Neither could guard an offensive minded PF and were unique in that they were taken off of good offensive players - of great PF they are the only two like that. The power forward position was a rebounding/defensive position until very recently.

Both Dirk and Barkley were offensively the best of those mentioned (cause could be made for Malone). Barkley was definitely superior to Dirk offensively, rebounding, assist wise during their primes. His efficiency numbers were also vastly superior. In fact, Barkley ensures that Dirk has no real nitch to claim with this group outside of his shooting:

KG best: all around player, all around defender, the best skilled, the best rebounder, the most fundamental,

Barkley the best offensively, most efficient,

Malone the most consistent scorer, the most prolific scorer, the most outstanding years,

Dirk the best shooter.

He's really like LeBron... Freak of nature. Great speed, quickness, balance, etc. You might get an illusion just seing his rather thick body, but the dude was as explosive as it gets. Great handles for his size. At his peak perhaps the GOAT PF.

His defense is often claimed his flaw, but it wasnt as bad as some people make it out to be given the footage I saw... And his rebounding was stellar.

In general the power forward position role was to hustle, rebound and play hard nosed defense. Two of these guys did not even guard offensive minded PFs. Barkley and Dirk were more of a deviation from their position as AI was to point guard. Name the five top PG's of all time. Not one of them could score like Iverson in the playoffs. Is Iverson considered a top five PG??? He is moreso considered a hybrid.

Barkley and Dirk are more like rebounding SF's than traditional PF's. If they were smarter and more skilled they are Bird or Durant offensively. If Iverson, Dirk and Barkley could defend their positions they would be looked at differently. Name a top center that couldn't defend centers? McAdoo was a bit more skilled than Dirk with about the same range, but because he didn't defend he doesn't get in these conversations.

Just something to think about.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dirk is the best shooter, scorer, clutch player, playoff performer... Good job not counting those.

And the difference in playoff RPG is minimal.

10.7 KG > 10.1 Dirk...

Best rebounding stretches (Prime):

KG 1999-2013 (123 games): 11.2 RPG
Dirk 2002-2010 (93 games): 11.2 RPG

Hardly noteable... In fact Dirk outrebounded KG defensively, but almost everyone has Dirk outrebounded offensively due to Dirk playing out on the perimeter... Which stretches the court for the team and easily accounts for more value than grabbing 1 more offensive rebound a game, as it can impact every shot by every team mate.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Behind Duncan, KG, Mchale & Barkley

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh McHale as well now? (And not Malone?)

Kobetards so insecure.

[houston]

Dirk better than Malone and Barkley

[RicksPlace]

Dirk only takes a backseat to Duncan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh McHale as well now? (And not Malone?)

Kobetards so insecure.

why you always gotta bring up kobe

so because somebody doesn't agree with you that means they are insecure.. lol

paranoid as fvck

[ArbitraryWater]

why you always gotta bring up kobe

so because somebody doesn't agree with you that means they are insecure.. lol

paranoid as fvck

I know your agenda.. But I'll be fine with it if you can give me a good argument

[masonanddixon]

#2 but head to head he's better than everyone he has faced, and that includes Duncan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dirk has become considerably overrated since 2011

before that he was known as an under performing soft choker who 50+ win teams were never taken seriously as a real threat in the playoffs

one fluke run where the opposing teams best player's collapse is a bigger story than how your team actually played doesn't change that

[ArbitraryWater]

Can I expect an actual case here or not?