ESPN: Lebron's "right way" era vs. Kobe's "hero ball"

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

If you actually played basketball, you should hate hero ball. You have to have teammates that are ok with not getting to shoot and hang their hats on being garbage men and defensive specialists. If not, they're not gonna consistently give 100% effort.

a lot of these guys will be free agents at the end of the season, their bad for not giving 100 every night.

[Heavincent]

Today you have shot-jacking, foul drawing wings like Steph Curry, James Harden, and Mr. 37%be himself leading the league in scoring.

I'm starting to get the feeling you haven't watched Steph Curry very much.

- He's not a shot jacker. He's actually extremely efficient. Shooting 44% on 3's for his career (6 attempts per game) and 47% overall.

- He's not a foul baiting flopper...at all. He attempts 3 FT's per game for his career (although that number is steadily increasing, which is good). In fact, he usually prefers to use floaters instead of going all the way to the rim.

Steph Curry's game would translate well in any era. You think his GOAT tier shooting ability would just go away if you put him in the 90's? No. I have no idea why you're putting him in the same sentence as Harden. They have completely different games.

[chazzy]

Today you have shot-jacking, foul drawing wings like Steph Curry

[Chrono90]

It's all about how you look at it. Both are legends and did it their way.

And as of now, Kobe won more.

Lebron's "right way" to me is joining with 2 other franchise players in their primes. He did it twice already.

[DonDadda59]

I'm starting to get the feeling you haven't watched Steph Curry very much.

- He's not a shot jacker. He's actually extremely efficient. Shooting 44% on 3's for his career (6 attempts per game) and 47% overall.

- He's not a foul baiting flopper...at all. He attempts 3 FT's per game for his career (although that number is steadily increasing, which is good). In fact, he usually prefers to use floaters instead of going all the way to the rim.

Steph Curry's game would translate well in any era. You think his GOAT tier shooting ability would just go away if you put him in the 90's? No. I have no idea why you're putting him in the same sentence as Harden. They have completely different games.

I was speaking in general terms, sue me. But doesn't that fit the description of Bean and Harden?

As to the bold- No it wouldn't go away obviously. He'd still be a great shooter... just like his dad, or Reggie Miller, etc. Just wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the scoring list like he is today.

Remember that 37%be who's been leading the league in PPG and Shot attempts coming off a terrible injury and being 36 years old was a poor man's Jamal Crawford when he played from 96-00. The league was not tailored to that style of play in the least.

[chazzy]

Remember that 37%be whose been leading the league in PPG and Shot attempts coming off a terrible injury and being 36 years old was a poor man's Jamal Crawford when he played from 96-00. The league was not tailored to that style of play in the least.

Because he wasn't that good yet. Defenses didn't suddenly become lax in 01

[Doranku]

Crazy how much "insight" DonDadda59 has to offer considering the only basketball he watches is his 90's Bulls Championship VHS collection.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Crazy how much "insight" DonDadda59 has to offer considering the only basketball he watches is his 90's Bulls Championship VHS collection.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Crazy how much "insight" DonDadda59 has to offer considering the only basketball he watches is his 90's Bulls Championship VHS collection.

[DonDadda59]

Because he wasn't that good yet. Defenses didn't suddenly become lax in 01

He was a 2X all star and was the first guard drafted out of High School. He was so skilled at his age that the GOAT talent evaluator traded away a proven commodity in Vlade Divac to acquire him. There was a reason why no one, especially guards, were never drafted straight out of HS before Garnett/Kobe. It's was a man's game and kids had no business on the court because they would (and eventually did) get bodied.

Compare Bean's first 3 seasons out of HS to LeBron's first 3 seasons out of HS. You think it's a coincidence that both guys had their career best scoring years at the same exact time despite being drafted 7 years apart... which also, by coincidence of course, happened to be the same season the league outlawed handchecking and instated the 3 sec rule?

But now you have a guy who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press as the best scorer in the game, sitting on 4 scoring championships and counting. Steph Curry in the 90s = a shorter version of his father with better playmaking.

Crazy how much "insight" DonDadda59 has to offer considering the only basketball he watches is his 90's Bulls Championship VHS collection.

Nigguh please

If you're feeling so gully, step into the arena. Talk basketball with me. We'll see who has more "insight".

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Heavincent]

As to the bold- No it wouldn't go away obviously. He'd still be a great shooter... just like his dad, or Reggie Miller, etc. Just wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the scoring list like he is today.

Why the hell not? Oh yeah, I forgot, Steph Curry's scoring ability obviously doesn't come close to the likes of Latrell Sprewell, LaPhonso Ellis, Kendall Gill, and Mitch Richmond.

Remember that 37%be who's been leading the league in PPG and Shot attempts coming off a terrible injury and being 36 years old was a poor man's Jamal Crawford when he played from 96-00. The league was not tailored to that style of play in the least.

Kobe put up huge scoring numbers between 00-04, which was considered to be one of the tougher defensive eras.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was a 2X all star and was the first guard drafted out of High School. He was so skilled at his age that the GOAT talent evaluator traded away a proven commodity in Vlade Divac to acquire him. There was a reason why no one, especially guards, were never drafted straight out of HS before Garnett/Kobe. It's was a man's game and kids had no business on the court because they would (and eventually did) get bodied.

Compare Bean's first 3 seasons out of HS to LeBron's first 3 seasons out of HS. You think it's a coincidence that both guys had their career best scoring years at the same exact time despite being drafted 7 years apart... which also, by coincidence of course, happened to be the same season the league outlawed handchecking and instated the 3 sec rule?

But now you have a guy who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press as the best scorer in the game, sitting on 4 scoring championships and counting. Steph Curry in the 90s = a shorter version of his father with better playmaking.



Nigguh please

If you're feeling so gully, step into the arena. Talk basketball with me. We'll see who has more "insight".

Yeah, that's what I thought.

what kind type of bitch shit is this?

you open a challenge and then end the challenge before you've even made the post

[chazzy]

He was a 2X all star and was the first guard drafted out of High School. He was so skilled at his age that the GOAT talent evaluator traded away a proven commodity in Vlade Divac to acquire him. There was a reason why no one, especially guards, were never drafted straight out of HS before Garnett/Kobe. It's was a man's game and kids had no business on the court because they would (and eventually did) get bodied.

Compare Bean's first 3 seasons out of HS to LeBron's first 3 seasons out of HS. You think it's a coincidence that both guys had their career best scoring years at the same exact time despite being drafted 7 years apart... which also, by coincidence of course, happened to be the same season the league outlawed handchecking and instated the 3 sec rule?

But now you have a guy who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press as the best scorer in the game, sitting on 4 scoring championships and counting. Steph Curry in the 90s = a shorter version of his father with better playmaking.

So do you believe we should adjust Kobe's career numbers because he had to suffer in a brutal defensive era in the beginning of his career, compared to the 00 draftees? This changes everything

[DonDadda59]

Why the hell not? Oh yeah, I forgot, Steph Curry's scoring ability obviously doesn't come close to the likes of Latrell Sprewell, LaPhonso Ellis, Kendall Gill, and Mitch Richmond.

You just named guys who dwarf Curry. And with the exception of Richmond who had a green light on terrible teams, those guys were never challenging for top 5 PPG or scoring titles.

Steph Curry in the 90s = smaller version of Dell Curry with better play making.

Kobe put up huge scoring numbers between 00-04, which was considered to be one of the tougher defensive eras.

Yet he couldn't get off the bench in the 90s. And when he did, he was launching airballs against the Utah defense. Hmmmm.

what kind type of bitch shit is this?

you open a challenge and then end the challenge before you've even made the post

I know he's not gonna say shit. He's been around long enough to know better. But anyone is free to step up to the plate. Please, it would make my Saturday.

[DonDadda59]

So do you believe we should adjust Kobe's career numbers because he had to suffer in a brutal defensive era in the beginning of his career, compared to the 00 draftees? This changes everything

Like I said- tell me when both Kobe and LeBron, drafted 7 years apart (Bean having played several seasons in the 90s), had their highest PPG season.

Then tell me what the rules were during that season pertaining to perimeter players.

But once again, I'm sure all of this was just a coincidence and LeBron coming out of High School in '03 was just infinitely better and more skilled than Bean coming out of High School in '96. The Chosen One indeed.