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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    I think a closer comparison would be a prime Dave Cowens and a prime Sabonis.

    And I likely would take Cowens.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    that's most likely because the only footage you've seen is of a washed up injured Sabonis

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpanishACB
    that's most likely because the only footage you've seen is of a washed up injured Sabonis
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUz3C0p-Yso

    A young, skinny Robinson, at nowhere near his peak, outplayed what was probably a peak Sabonis.

    BTW, Robinson was CLEARLY more athletic.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Russell
    Thurmond
    Reed
    Lanier
    Gilmore
    McAdoo
    Walton
    Cowens
    Moses
    Ewing
    Robinson
    Shaq
    KAJ
    Wilt

    That's a start, and I likely would take players like Cowens and Hayes over a prime Sabonis, as well.

    There are probably some that I unintentionally left out, too.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Russell
    Thurmond
    Reed
    Lanier
    Gilmore
    McAdoo
    Walton
    Cowens
    Moses
    Ewing
    Robinson
    Shaq
    KAJ
    Wilt

    That's a start, and I likely would take players like Cowens and Hayes over a prime Sabonis, as well.

    There are probably some that I unintentionally left out, too.
    Hakeem's a pretty big omission

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    I could come up with a LONG list of NBA centers, and in their primes, that I would take over a prime Arvydas.
    Based on what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    Hakeem's a pretty big omission
    Oh yes...thanks.

    I did a quick list in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
    Based on what?
    Based on what we know.

    A nowhere near his prime Robinson outplayed a peak Sabonis. And a decade later he was wiping the floor with him.

    Shaq just crushed Robinson, Hakeem, and Ewing in his career H2H's, and destroyed an old Sabonis.

    McAdoo at age 40 was a better scorer in the Euroleague than Sabonis ever was.

    A 39 year old Kareem annihilated a 24 year old Hakeem in their H2H's.

    An aging Thurmond outplayed a PEAK Kareem in the '72 playoffs, and overall, in their career H2H's, held a PEAK KAJ to a .447 FG%.

    Moses just pounded Kareem in their 40 career H2H's.

    A prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a PEAK Kareem faced.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    you make arguments based off one game or on even one action of the game and don't feel silly when you make those big posts?

    by the way, the thread is now about wilt

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpanishACB
    you make arguments based off one game or on even one action of the game and don't feel silly when you make those big posts?

    by the way, the thread is now about wilt
    Not at all. It's about ALL of the truly great centers. And a prime Sabonis would be well down that list.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    A nowhere near his prime Robinson outplayed a peak Sabonis..
    You mean the game in '88 when Sabonis just came back from an achilles tendon injury?

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    And a decade later he was wiping the floor with him.
    You mean when Sabonis finally decided to come to the NBA, while being broken down, and it being a miracle for him to basically walk, let alone play?
    Last edited by Uncle Drew; 11-29-2014 at 02:31 PM.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
    You mean the game in '88 when Sabonis just came back from an achilles tendon injury?

    Alright...tell us exactly when this "peak" Sabonis ever played a game, then. And please give us the list of true NBA centers that he outplayed in that time frame.
    Last edited by LAZERUSS; 11-29-2014 at 02:33 PM.

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Alright...tell us exactly when this "peak" Sabonis ever played a game
    I don't know. If you don't mind, I wasn't watching European basketball in the 80's. I'm just keeping to the facts.

    But comparing a broken down player to Shaq, the most dominant ever, and, at his peak, the greatest to ever play, seems pretty unfair to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Alright...tell us exactly when this "peak" Sabonis ever played a game, then. And please give us the list of true NBA centers that he outplayed in that time frame.
    there was no peak sabonis in the NBA, I thought american NBA fans were aware of this?

    there was just a broken down player, think of Kobe, just worse, doing what Duncan has been doing the past couple of years with added range

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    Default Re: A PRIME Walton vs a PRIME Sabonis

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew
    I don't know, If you don't mind, I wasn't watching European basketball in the 80's. I'm just keeping to the facts.

    But comparing a broken down player to Shaq, the most dominant ever, and, at his peak, the greatest to ever play, seems pretty unfair to me.
    You asked me, "based on what?"

    I responded by what we KNOW.

    Show us a peak Sabonis dominating someone of the calibre of a peak David Robinson.

    Was Sabonis an outstanding NBA center? Yes, even a well past his peak Arvydas played well in his short NBA career. But there are those here who would have us believe that he was a Top-10 center of all-time. I just don't have ANY evidence to support that.

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