Kobe having the most prolific 19th season of all time...

[tpols]

most players didnt go to the NBA straight from HS

How's KG, tmac, and Jemaine O'Neal doing right now?

[stalkerforlife]

Kareem, Malone and Stockton were on contending teams at age 36. Their games meant something.

Kobe has givin' himself the green light (cause he answers only to himself) to shoot when he wants and as often as he wants because he knows his team is not a contender.

Big difference in situations between him and the other 3 you mentioned

Did Wesley Johnson, Jordan Hill, and Boozer start next to them?

[T_L_P]

Prove it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ulka01&y6=1984

Kobe is last in PER, WS/48 (by a disgustingly large margin), Box +/- (even though Play-by-Play data wasn't around until 2001, Kobe is behind Duncan and Dirk), TS%, ORtg, DRtg.

[SugarHill]

Apples and oranges.

Kobe has already accomplished every team achievement under the sun. He has nothing left to prove.

Davis has to combine his individual play with winning before taking the next step into greatness.

Is that why you said Kobe was a top MVP candidate? Surely it wasn't because his team was winning, right? So Davis isn't an MVP contender but Kobe is because Kobe has nothing left to prove? Is that your stance?

[Hey Yo]

Did Wesley Johnson, Jordan Hill, and Boozer start next to them?

Why bring that up when all you care about is Kobe scoring?

Like I said, KAJ, Stockton and Malone were playing for something while Kobe is playing for self accolades.

[stalkerforlife]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ulka01&y6=1984

Kobe is last in PER, WS/48 (by a disgustingly large margin), Box +/- (even though Play-by-Play data wasn't around until 2001, Kobe is behind Duncan and Dirk), TS%, ORtg, DRtg.

Dirk, Duncan, and Stockton play much smaller roles and consequently, can put up better efficiency numbers due to being picky about the risks they take.

Why are you comparing apples and oranges?

All three of those players didn't have to carry a team on their shoulders.

[stalkerforlife]

Is that why you said Kobe was a top MVP candidate? Surely it wasn't because his team was winning, right? So Davis isn't an MVP contender but Kobe is because Kobe has nothing left to prove? Is that your stance?

It was meant to be a joke when I said Kobe was MVP.

Calm down.

[stalkerforlife]

Why bring that up when all you care about is Kobe scoring?

Like I said, KAJ, Stockton and Malone were playing for something while Kobe is playing for self accolades.

They had far better teams, obviously. Two of them played together.

[SugarHill]

It was meant to be a joke when I said Kobe was MVP.

Calm down.

Is Kobe a top 5 MVP candidate?

[stalkerforlife]

Is Kobe a top 5 MVP candidate?

As of right now, no. You have to at least make the playoffs.

[T_L_P]

Dirk, Duncan, and Stockton play much smaller roles and consequently, can put up better efficiency numbers due to being picky about the risks they take.

Why are you comparing apples and oranges?

All three of those players didn't have to carry a team on their shoulders.

They all had a bigger impact on the floor. Especially Karl Malone, who ****ing blows Kobe's production out of the water.

Kobe's having a horrible season. He's carrying his team to the second worst record in the league.

Only betas make excuses. The apples and oranges thing is all you've got, little boy.

[stalkerforlife]

They all had a bigger impact on the floor. Especially Karl Malone, who ****ing blows Kobe's production out of the water.

Kobe's having a horrible season. He's carrying his team to the second worst record in the league.

Only betas make excuses.

[T_L_P]

Pau Gasol lead an equally bad team to a better record just last year.

TOSB Kobe can't even impact the game like past-his-prime Gasol.

Those are facts, little man.

[tpols]

Pau Gasol lead an equally bad team to a better record just last year.

TOSB Kobe can't even impact the game like past-his-prime Gasol.

Those are facts, little man.

LA had the hardest SOS through like last week . all winning record western teams. Memphis Houston clippers golden state Spurs mavs.. Pretty tough competition and most of it without nick young(whose shooting is vital for this team).

If everyone's healthy going forward they'll be around mid 20s easily.

[dubeta]

Considering Kobe has a slighty better supporting cast than LeBrons 60+ win Cavs team, and Lakers still have one of the worst records in the league, is unacceptable