Religion is a disease

[MavsSuperFan]

Religious people is not a race. It has nothing to do with race. Get a dictionary and read the meaning of race and racist.

Its like people saying "you're racist against women/gays"

[MavsSuperFan]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

That they all strongly believed in their respective Ideologies to the point where they believed killing people was the right thing, as it would advance their ideologies.

They so strongly believed in their ideologies they ignored evidence their ideologies were flawed and hurting their nations.
Eg. Mao stuck with his small steel program which was a part of his great leap forward far longer than an objective person would have.

His plan was to increase china's steel production by having each local commune using small furnaces powered by wood cut from local forests.

The result was mass deforestation and unusable metal. (the local communes could not create the temperatures necessary to produce high quality metals)

Mao's agricultural polices lead to a massive starvation that killed between 30-80 million people.

Stalin committed the crime we know of as Holodomor

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, "Extermination by hunger" or "Hunger-extermination";[2] derived from 'морити голодом', "to kill by starvation" [3][4][5]) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1932 and 1933 that killed estimated 2.5-7.5 million Ukrainians. During the famine, which is also known as the "Terror-Famine in Ukraine" and "Famine-Genocide in Ukraine",[6][7][8] millions of citizens of the Ukrainian SSR, the majority of whom were Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[9] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and many other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people by the Soviet Union ruled by Stalin.[10]

Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly; anywhere from 1.8[11] to 12 million[12] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have perished as a result of the famine. Recent research has since narrowed the estimates to between 2.4[13] and 7.5[14] million. The exact number of deaths is hard to determine, due to a lack of records,[15][16] but the number increases significantly when the deaths inside heavily Ukrainian-populated Kuban are included.[17] Older estimates are still often cited in political commentary.[18] According to the decision of Kyiv Appellation Court, the demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, with 3.9 million famine deaths, and a 6.1 million birth deficit.[15]

basically Russian soldiers stole food for their cities from Ukrainian farmers.

Pol Pot forced people to move from the cities to the country side and killed those who resisted. He also killed intellectuals, eg. university students and professors, etc.

Hitler wanted to get rid of jewish people he felt was sabotaging the aryan race and wanted to create living space for germanic peoples. He felt like he was defending his people.

All of these men thought they were doing the right thing. None of these men thought of themselves as evil. They all thought they were doing the right thing.

its the same as inquisitors during the Spanish inquisition or the medieval inquisitions. They thought torturing people to enforce catholic orthodoxy was the right thing to do.

Its the same as the people who drowned women during the salem witch trials.

Its the same as ISIS, who thinks killing a person for smoking or drinking alchol is the right thing to do.
The same as the paris shooters who think killing someone for depicting the image of Muhammad is the right thing to do.
The same as Boko Haram who thinks attacking schools is the right thing to do.
The same as Iranian government who executed a man for suggesting the Jonah and the whale, story was not literally true.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ani?CMP=twt_gu

[QUOTE]A 37-year-old man has been executed in Iran after being found guilty of heresy and insulting prophet Jonah, according to human rights activists.

Mohsen Amir-Aslani was arrested nine years ago for his activities which the authorities deemed were heretical. He was engaged in psychotherapy but also led sessions reading and reciting the Qur

[MavsSuperFan]

Oh god....

world wide, currently tell me of an area with better living standards than northern europe?



Northern europe seems to have disproportionately high HDI scores

[MavsSuperFan]

What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot all have in common?

Also just for the record Hitler was probably a "lazy catholic".

[MavsSuperFan]

btw, you posted an incorrect version of the HDI for some reason
HDI-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index
Median income-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income
Average income-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

im not sure what you mean, the pic i posted was taken from that web page you linked

[MavsSuperFan]

The US has a higher median and mean income than all the Nordic countries except norway (because of oil and mineral wealth) and ranks higher than all except Norway on the human development index.
So if you want to count having resource wealth as development, great, Norway is better off than the US, and the rest aren't.

you more focused on the northern europe point than I am.

Western europe in general is one of if not the least religious regions of the world. Off the top of my head China is less religious because the government crushes religions.

But in general Christianity is declining in europe.

I think that is related to how long europe has been a very highly developed region. Eg. as education improves, and living standards improve, people need religion less/feel less benefit and comfort in religion.



a bunch of european countries on top of that list and the Human development index list

[ROCSteady]

Religious people is not a race. It has nothing to do with race. Get a dictionary and read the meaning of race and racist.




Right, and it wasn't because you was sucking dick.

[MavsSuperFan]

You said Northern Europe was the most advanced region in the world. Theyre no more advanced than the US and Canada.

Fine I should have said among the most advanced, my overall point was an anti religious point.
That Western/northern Europe is very developed and not very religious compared to other regions.

What did you mean by my HDI picture being wrong?

Also my original post said north western europe. you even quoted it.

[NumberSix]

Too many uneducated people. For example, uneducated racists see Arab as Muslim. So they target Muslims for racist reasons. That is just a example. Unfortunately to a lot of people race and religion are intertwined.

Do they? Or, is it that YOU see muslim and arab as interchangeable and then project that onto others?

From what I've seen, the people who are critical of islam constantly are having to specify when other people bring race into the discussion that religion is not a racial matter.

[Akrazotile]

No it won't. I wouldn't be surprised if scientific knowledge were flipped on its arse before the death of the religious impulse. The human longing for the numinous, transcendent and unified is inherent, and there's no changing that. From my own personal experience the non-religious tend to adhere faithfully to their own dogmatisms, without evidence for them, perhaps even more so than the religious. They have their faith and their moral certainties too.

Even I must accept that my position as an anti-metaphysician is a faith and a metaphysics in itself.

All of this.

[deja vu]

Religion will never disappear. The human race would have to be extinct for that to happen.

[pauk]

There is a good christian/muslim/jew and there is a bad one.

There is a good human being and there is a bad one.

There is a human having no screw loose and there is a human having a screw loose.

Religion or no religion doesnt change that.....

The only time there would really be PEACE ON EARTH is when all people look/walk/think/talk/sound/behave/do/have/earn money/are from same nation/culture/whatever/literally everything EXACTLY the same.... because of that even if only one Religion existed or no religion at all existed, people would still find reasons to do mayhem mentally/physically...

Humans man.... Humans.....

<---- That right there is the problem.

[pauk]

I say just relax, live your life, chase your dreams, try be benovelent, have some fun, fall in love, treat others like you want to be treated, show compassion/ration/logic/objectivity.... stop worrying about things that dont affect YOUR everyday life whatsoever (especially you 9er, Patrick Chewing etc. need to think about this, dont worry, no ISIS is coming to get you in your burbs)..... support humanity/planet earth first and foremost even over your own race, country or religion WHEN you know deep down inside something is right/wrong, even in Bible/Koran/Torah does it clearly say something like "God gave you a brain", please use it... If you do this, when you die you will have nothing to worry about at all as an atheist or a religious man..... you were a great human being and if there is a God, you will be the #1 priority for all the "glory" up there.... because that is what God's main & only REQUIREMENT is/was in christianity/islam/judaism (some people just dont get that part apparently)..... and if there shows to be no God, no life after death, just nothing.... you lived a life by the best example and it will echo out to your family/relatives/friends/other people..... a WIN-WIN situation....

THAT is the meaning of life.... and there is only ONE guaranteed life for you....

[Nowitness]

Pauk:

Yes humans are intrinsically bad. With that said, anything that is man made that contributes to this needs to be wiped out. Religion is this; the op is correct in calling it a disease. Religious people have certain evils that they can get away with that I as an Atheist cannot. If I take a stone to my sons dick and cut it up how can I justify it? All a Jew needs to say is my Bible says so. Same with anti-contraception/stem cell debates, censorship based on mythology, mental torture such as the threat of hell fire/purgatory, the notion of perfect beings and books, need I go on?

[pauk]

Pauk:

Yes humans are intrinsically bad. With that said, anything that is man made that contributes to this needs to be wiped out. Religion is this; the op is correct in calling it a disease. Religious people have certain evils that they can get away with that I as an Atheist cannot. If I take a stone to my sons dick and cut it up how can I justify it? All a Jew needs to say is my Bible says so. Same with anti-contraception/stem cell debates, censorship based on mythology, mental torture such as the threat of hell fire/purgatory, the notion of perfect beings and books, need I go on?

It is a disease.... but so is much else and getting rid of it wont solve the problem, not even sure it will be less problems, Psycho goes: "Oh wait, so you are saying there is no consequences for my actions? I can do wtf i want, **** yea! *insert color* Power! Where is that M16!" .... thats my point....

...but my main point is the 1st post directly above you there! :)