Better Case For GOAT? Wilt Chamberlain or KAJ

[dunksby]

Kareem's WS/48 numbers;
1970-71 / 0.326
1971-72 / 0.340
And in those seasons, blocks-steals-turnovers were also not recorded.

There would be a great discussion between 1966-67 Hal Greer and rookie Magic Johnson.

Nice but failed attempt in the end.

Show me an instance where this guy didn't make an asshole out of himself

[navy]

Kareem's WS/48 numbers;
1970-71 / 0.326
1971-72 / 0.340
And in those seasons, blocks-steals-turnovers were also not recorded.

There would be a great discussion between 1966-67 Hal Greer and rookie Magic Johnson.

Nice but failed attempt in the end.

3ball please respond.

Post gifs as well

[3ball]

3ball please respond.

Post gifs as well

Wilt was the far superior shot-blocker - the inclusion of blocks would help wilt vastly more.

and again, kareem's best year statistically was 1972 when he got 35 PPG and 18 RPG.

we only have to go back 7 years to 1965 to find a season when Wilt did significantly better, to the tune of 39 PPG and 24 RPG... i don't think the game changed between 1965 and 1972..

and Wilt's six seasons before 1965 all destroy Kareem's best by even wider margins... like, put a prime Kareem back in 1962, and he doesn't get anywhere near 50 PPG and 27 RPG.

and sorry, your "wilt was just stat-padding" argument is such garbage, that it proves the point.

[navy]

Wilt was the far superior shot-blocker - the inclusion of blocks would help wilt vastly more.

and again, kareem's best year statistically was 1972 when he got 35 PPG and 18 RPG.

we only have to go back 7 years to 1965 to find a season when Wilt did significantly better, to the tune of 39 PPG and 24 RPG... i don't think the game changed between 1965 and 1972..

and Wilt's six seasons before 1965 all destroy Kareem's best by even wider margins... like, put a prime Kareem back in 1962, and he doesn't get anywhere near 50 PPG and 27 RPG.

and sorry, your "wilt was just stat-padding" argument is such garbage, that it proves the point.

Where are the gifs? i need visualization

[3ball]

Where are the gifs? i need visualization

don't need em.

wilt's numbers in 1965 and prior destroy Kareem's peak stats in 1972.

so unless you think the game changed from 1965 to 1972, then wilt is clearly far better.

it's a classic tale of a guy coming around well past a guy's prime, as kareem did with wilt.

but rewind the clock 7-10 years and put kareem in wilt's place, and he doesn't put up anywhere NEAR the numbers wilt did in his prime.

[navy]

don't need em.

wilt's numbers in 1965 and prior destroy Kareem's peak stats in 1972.

so unless you think the game changed from 1965 to 1972, then wilt is clearly far better.

it's a classic tale of a guy coming around well past a guy's prime, as kareem did with wilt.

but rewind the clock 7-10 years and put kareem in wilt's place, and he doesn't put up anywhere NEAR the numbers wilt did in his prime.

Need gifs. Come thru man.

[3ball]

Need gifs. Come thru man.

... Over Kareem











.. Over All-Pro beast Walt Bellamy


In these GIF's, Wilt finishes over defenders with a drop-step finger roll going the opposite way with half his back to the defender, going through the defender - like, he has no advantage on the defender - it's just sheer physical superiority, incredible touch and agility.

The only way any ball player can finish like this over defenders is if you are vastly physically superior AND if you have incredible touch and agility - you never saw Shaq or Kareem finishing over guys like this - not a great enough combination of power, strength, agility or touch.

This one-of-a-kind shot is a testament to Wilt's GOAT talent.

[Psileas]

Kareem's WS/48 numbers;
1970-71 / 0.326
1971-72 / 0.340
And in those seasons, blocks-steals-turnovers were also not recorded.

There would be a great discussion between 1966-67 Hal Greer and rookie Magic Johnson.

Nice but failed attempt in the end.

Only...Kareem's team won 66 and 61 games in these 2 seasons, while Wilt's team won 48 in 1964. Quite a bit easier to dominate win shares as long as your team wins a lot. Also, quite a bit easier to dominate "per 48" stats when you're only playing 40 mpg ('71 Kareem).

[dunksby]

Only...Kareem's team won 66 and 61 games in these 2 seasons, while Wilt's team won 48 in 1964. Quite a bit easier to dominate win shares as long as your team wins a lot. Also, quite a bit easier to dominate "per 48" stats when you're only playing 40 mpg ('71 Kareem).

Wilt stans are something else, taking negatives out of positives, what's next? Why does Kareem have 6 MVPs? Is it necessary to have 19 All-Star appearances? How is winning 6 rings helpful to one's resume?

[Psileas]

Wilt stans are something else, taking negatives out of positives, what's next? Why does Kareem have 6 MVPs? Is it necessary to have 19 All-Star appearances? How is winning 6 rings helpful to one's resume?

Can you offer some type of counter-argument, instead of just rambling on, like a typical Wilt hater?
Can you spot where I mentioned anything negative here? Is adding context being negative? If someone claims that Wilt averaged 25 rpg in his prime because there were more rebounds available, is this supposed to be "taking negatives out of positives"?

[jlip]

Both are on my firt tier.

[ClipperRevival]

KAJ is the only guy who I think can make a legit case as being the GOAT along with MJ. Everyone else is a step below. When you look at Kareem's body of work, from individual accomplishments, individual awards, team accomplishments and college dominance, he has to rank above Wilt.

Yes, at his peak, Wilt was more dominant. But KAJ was much consistent throughout his career and people don't mention that Wilt's career ppg average is a mere 22 ppg, which 8 ppg below his career average.

[SugarHill]

... Over Kareem











.. Over All-Pro beast Walt Bellamy


In these GIF's, Wilt finishes over defenders with a drop-step finger roll going the opposite way with half his back to the defender, going through the defender - like, he has no advantage on the defender - it's just sheer physical superiority, incredible touch and agility.

The only way any ball player can finish like this over defenders is if you are vastly physically superior AND if you have incredible touch and agility - you never saw Shaq or Kareem finishing over guys like this - not a great enough combination of power, strength, agility or touch.

This one-of-a-kind shot is a testament to Wilt's GOAT talent.

[3ball]

Shaq can't do this, or any of the other GIFs, trust me - he might try to drop-step closer to the rim and dunk it, but anyone can do that - drop-step dunking it is not nearly as physically impressive of skillful.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wilt stans are something else, taking negatives out of positives, what's next? Why does Kareem have 6 MVPs? Is it necessary to have 19 All-Star appearances? How is winning 6 rings helpful to one's resume?

What is this? Stop being a dumb troll.

All he's saying is that Kareem had a better team to work with, unless you really believe they were similar squads and rookie Kareem was worth 18 more games than prime Wilt.

Shaq can't do this, or any of the other GIFs, trust me - he might try to drop-step closer to the rim and dunk it, but anyone can do that - drop-step dunking it is not nearly as physically impressive of skillful.

The subtlety.