Pope on Charlie Hebdo - "You cannot insult the Faith of others"

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Im with DonD on this one.

It seems to me that the Pope is saying it's normal to respond with violence when someone offends you. He said it himself that is how he responds.

People who are 100% mature, confident with them selves and have faith never allow words to cause an uproar. It's just words. If someone calls your sister a hoe you should just be able to laugh at them. If you hurt them, then you are the criminal and you go to jail.

It's always the guys that wanna fight who are the weakest mentally.

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Im with DonD on this one.

It seems to me that the Pope is saying it's normal to respond with violence when someone offends you. He said it himself that is how he responds.

People who are 100% mature, confident with them selves and have faith never allow words to cause an uproar. It's just words. If someone calls your sister a hoe you should just be able to laugh at them. If you hurt them, then you are the criminal and you go to jail.

It's always the guys that wanna fight who are the weakest mentally.

But it IS normal to expect violence, you can't go into life expecting everyone to be civilized...Muslim extremists are NOT civilized or "mature" people. If you are at their mercy the "come on man, free speech!" card will get you no where.

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But it IS normal to expect violence, you can't go into life expecting everyone to be civilized...Muslim extremists are NOT civilized or "mature" people. If you are at their mercy the "come on man, free speech!" card will get you no where.

I agree, you should expect someone to punch you if you call their sister a slut. But that doesn't mean its ok.

And the funny part is the person who name called will not get in trouble while the puncher can get charged with assault and do jail time.

So if you wanna be a tough guy you can expect to go to jail.

Or if you wanna be mature and mentally stable you can just laugh at stupid people and be fine.

[kurple]

People have been mocking Christianity and Jesus for centuries and there hasn't been retribution like this.

Most Christians = Developed way of thinking


Most Muslims = Grrrr mmmm fire!

[LJJ]

I think so many of you guys are missing the point here.

Yes, it's true. If you make a controversial statement that insults someone, they might harm you. That's reality. Do you think anyone thinks that isn't true? Or that the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists didn't know they were putting their life at risk?

Of course they knew. If you say anything critical about Islam in a country with a lot of Muslims, you might get killed. That's how their culture works. Saying this, it's a worthless, obvious statement like grass is green. Everybody knows this.

The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.

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The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.

This. Exactly. This is the discussion.

And imo we should not be ok with that.

The Pope has stated that it is acceptable. I strongly disagree.

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I think so many of you guys are missing the point here.

Yes, it's true. If you make a controversial statement that insults someone, they might harm you. That's reality. Do you think anyone thinks that isn't true? Or that the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists didn't know they were putting their life at risk?

Of course they knew. If you say anything critical about Islam in a country with a lot of Muslims, you might get killed. That's how their culture works. Saying this, it's a worthless, obvious statement like grass is green. Everybody knows this.

The argument is: are we okay with that? Should we live in a country where criticism of religion should be limitless and accepted by society as freedom of speech? The cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were willing to risk their life to promote that ideal.
The pope on the other hand, feels criticism of religion should be limited and the killings were somewhat justified.

I don't think the pope is saying criticism of religion "SHOULD BE" limited...or that the killings were justified.

The pope was just making a "worthless, obvious statement"...if you insult someone's mom expect a punch, duh...he's not saying it's okay to punch, or that we should be limited due to the punch...he is just telling it like it is.

[LJJ]

I don't think the pope is saying criticism of religion "SHOULD BE" limited...or that the killings were justified.

The pope was just making a "worthless, obvious statement"...if you insult someone's mom expect a punch, duh

He literally said "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.".

That statement is pretty clear cut. He compared it to him physically assaulting someone after they insult his mom. That's also pretty clear cut. That doesn't mean he promotes killing over a cartoon, but he does justify it to an extent and says free speech should be limited when it comes to religion. He literally says that.

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He literally said "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.".

That statement is pretty clear cut. He compared it to him physically assaulting someone after they insult his mom. That's also pretty clear cut.

the pope isn't assaulting anyone obviously...he was just trying to find an example and said that jokingly

The pope isn't going to condone any kind of violence...he's just tellling his followers not to insult the faith of others

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That doesn't mean he promotes killing over a cartoon, but he does justify it to an extent and says free speech should be limited when it comes to religion. He literally says that.

he isn't saying it "SHOULD BE" limited...

he is saying it "IS" limited because of violence...he isn't declaring that is how it should be or how he wants it

[DonDadda59]

he isn't saying it "SHOULD BE" limited...

he is saying it "IS" limited because of violence...he isn't declaring that is how it should be or how he wants it

If that's true, then he's even more useless than I thought. If snake oil salesmen like him and the Imams and other religious 'leaders' who allowed their movements to spiral out of control into bastardized, violent, backwards death cults had actually spoken up and provided actual guidance and leadership to the ignorant sheep who follow them... then maybe the World would be a better place. Maybe it wouldn't be the norm to expect people to be gunned down over damn cartoons.

But instead you have the leader of a Church with hundreds of millions of adherents passively shrugging his shoulders (or worse, condoning) in regards to the outbreak of religious violence around the world.

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really the message that the Bible sends in general is "You cannot insult ANYONE for ANYTHING"

their entire core is built around laying down...being peaceful...turn the other cheek...etc




cept for homos...they must be stopped

[Patrick Chewing]

Get a job you freeloadin' bum!

[Derka]

Freedom of speech means the government can't put you in jail or oppress you for what you say in public.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can tell someone "F*ck you, your God and everyone who looks like you" and they're not at liberty to beat the snot out of you or kill you.

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Freedom of speech means the government can't put you in jail or oppress you for what you say in public.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can tell someone "F*ck you, your God and everyone who looks like you" and they're not at liberty to beat the snot out of you or kill you.

That's actually exactly what it means.

If I say fuhck you your God is a fraud.

Then you assault me.

And i call the cops.

One of us is leaving in handcuffs.

Which one ya think?

The guy who didn't break any laws, or the guy who broke the law?