is wiggins as athletic as pre-2012 lebron?

[FireDavidKahn]

Yes in everything but strength

[Nash]

if you're one of those that believe athleticism = how high you can jump

if you take strength into account then no chance in hell

[ImKobe]

Combine would tell you that Reggie Jackson is a better athlete than Russell Westbrook. Irrelevant.

Russ wasn't as athletic coming into the league as he is right now

[FireDavidKahn]

if you're one of those that believe athleticism = how high you can jump

if you take strength into account then no chance in hell

there is a hell of a lot more to it then just those two factors as well. And yes,lbj blows Wiggins out of the water. But don't for a second think Wiggins doesn't measure up in almost every other category. We aren't comparing them as players either, so people shouldn't use the biases about how great lbj was and is.

[CavaliersFTW]

Here's the thing... saying "Yes in everything but strength" makes him seem like he's basically incredible just minus one little gift (of strength) but it's not that simple. Wiggins is no doubt an athletic guy, but oddly enough he still merely equals or falls short of many other great athletic forwards.

For example, I don't think he's as athletic as Doctor J... who could also be pigeon holed as "Yes in everything but strength" to Lebron, only he added to that even greater agility, gigantic hands, and PERHAPS greater leaping ability (even if not greater leaping ability his mid-air agility and control of the ball with his giant hands made him at least appear greater at it).

I'm also not convinced he's a greater athlete than say, Dominique Wilkins or James Worthy. Dominique due to a bit more strength and Worthy due to again giant hands that could whip the ball around with ease.

Wiggins is athletic. But he lacks a certain X factor, some special physical tool that makes you go "wow" like the guys I mentioned. I'm not sure he's more athletic than a great great deal of players that have played the game that were also called "athletic". He doesn't have any out standing attributes that set him apart like Lebron (great size/strength for his position) or Dr. J (the hands/body control), etc.

[Budadiiii]

LeBron has him beat in hand-eye coordination and balance too.

[SugarHill]

No. Not even close. Kobe was a better athlete than Wiggins too. LeBron was insane. Heck I think he is STILL more athletic than Wiggins.

[Budadiiii]

He was a better functional athlete. Better body control, hand-eye coordination, agility, strength.

Just because Wiggins is fast end to end and can jump higher doesn't make him a better all-around athlete.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He was a better functional athlete. Better body control, hand-eye coordination, agility, strength.

Just because Wiggins is fast end to end and can jump higher doesn't make him a better all-around athlete.

This

[SugarHill]

He was a better functional athlete. Better body control, hand-eye coordination, agility, strength.

Just because Wiggins is fast end to end and can jump higher doesn't make him a better all-around athlete.

Kobe at 20 had more agility and strength? Remember, Kobe was once a twig himself.

[Budadiiii]

Kobe at 20 had more agility and strength? Remember, Kobe was once a twig himself.

Kobe was probably stronger in High School than Wiggins is now. Agility and body control wise it's not all that close. Kobe is way more fluid than Wiggins.

[SugarHill]

Kobe was probably stronger in High School than Wiggins is now. Agility and body control wise it's not all that close. Kobe is way more fluid than Wiggins.

Kobe is also more fluid and has better body control than Westbrook and Nate Robinson. Actually, Kobe has better body control than most players in NBA history. Is Kobe a top 10 athlete in NBA history? Is he also more athletic than Zach Lavine? Lavine looks absolutely mechanical compared to Frobe. How much stock are you willing to put into body control when the disparity in speed and leaping ability is as pronounced?

[inclinerator]

lebron has him in speed, strength, coordination,
wiggins probably has quickness over him

[Jacks3]

lol, if kobe had the body of wiggins, he would have been a top 5 player ever.

some of you are nuts.

[Clyde]

Anyone have quantifiable numbers to back up any type of argument, or is this thread typical ISH fan boys pissing their retarded opinions at each other?