how come wilt doesn't even crack top 15 in playoff scoring?

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt would still dominate the league at 50 years old, according to Laz, so I'd say he was still in his prime in his 30s.

He was.

How many other NBA GOAT candidates put up a 23-21 game in their LAST playoff game?

[dunksby]

He was.

How many other NBA GOAT candidates put up a 23-21 game in their LAST playoff game?

He wouldn't dominate the league in his 50s but yes, he was in his prime, warriorfan is implying he was just a broken down forced to play one-way kinda player.

[LAZERUSS]

He wouldn't dominate the league in his 50s but yes, he was in his prime, warriorfan is implying he was just a broken down forced to play one-way kinda player.

Larry Brown would tell you that Wilt would have been a force into his 40's. I suspect that he would still have been a dominating rebounder and defender at the very least.

[BigNBAfan]

Give me your list of players, including Baylor, who put up a 45 point game in a must-win Finals game.

Oh, and let me know how many 50 point playoff games Baylor had, as well. In fact, aside from MJ, give me your list of players who had FOUR 50+ point playoff games. And then,...and this includes MJ...give me your list of players who had THREE 50+ point games in must-win playoff games. In fact, give me a list of players, aside from Wilt, who had even ONE.

Do some real RESEARCH before spewing nonsense.

Idiot.

Nonsense? Lets break down what i said:

Baylor scored 61 points in the finals - Fact

wilt underperformed compared to his season average in the playoffs Fact (~8ppg drop from career regular season game vs career playoff game)

baylors performance (~1ppg difference).

Stop looking at sheer numbers and compare how they change from season to postseason, that's how you compare a choke.

[LAZERUSS]

Nonsense? Lets break down what i said:

Baylor scored 61 points in the finals - Fact

wilt underperformed compared to his season average in the playoffs Fact (~8ppg drop from career regular season game vs career playoff game)

baylors performance (~1ppg difference).

Stop looking at sheer numbers and compare how they change from season to postseason, that's how you compare a choke.

And had Wilt not faced RUSSELL in ONE-THIRD of his playoff games, and (and nearly TWO-THIRDS in his "scoring" prime)...and instead faced the Lakers in post-season series....where Russell BEEFED up his scoring and efficiency marks in his FIVE Finals against them...

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Again, had Wilt faced the Lakers in any of his nine seasons in the league from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own at least some, (if not a vast majority), playoff and perhaps Finals, scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .702 against LA in '65.)

And once again, in Wilt's regular seasons, he was facing LA between 7 to 12 games in each season, with an average of about 10.

Also keep in mind that the Lakers were in the Western Conference, and Wilt only had two seasons in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68, and in one of those, his team was so bad, that he didn't make the playoffs, despite a 44.8 ppg season on .528 shooting.


Ok, here we go:

'59-60:

Against the entire NBA that season: 37.6 ppg on a .461 FG%

Against the Lakers in 9 H2H's: 36.8 ppg on a .430 FG%

High games of 41, 41, 41, 45, and 52.


'60-61:

Against the entire NBA: 38.4 ppg on a .509 FG%

Against the Lakers in 10 H2H's: 40.1 ppg on a .506 FG%

High games were 41, 41, 43, 44, 46, and 56 points.


'61-62:

Against the entire NBA: 50.4 ppg on a .506 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2H games: 51.6 ppg on a .503 FG%

High games of 48, 56, 57, 60, 60, and 78 (with 43 rebounds.)


'62-63: Against the entire NBA: 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 48.6 ppg on a .541 FG%

High games of 40, 40, 42, 53, 63, and 72 points.


'63-64: Against the entire NBA: 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 44.3 ppg on a .484 FG%

High games of 40, 41, 47, 49, 50, 55, and 59 points.


'64-65: Against the entire NBA: 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%

Against LA in 8 H2Hs: 29.9 ppg on a .476 FG%

High games of 40, 40, and 41 points.


'65-66: Against the entire NBA: 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%

Against LA in 10 H2Hs: 40.8 ppg on a .559 FG%

High games of 42, 49, 53, and 65 points.


'66-67: Against the entire NBA: 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2Hs: 26.4 ppg on a .759 FG%

High games of 32, 37, and 39 points.


'67-68: Against the entire NBA: 24.3 ppg on a .595 FG%

Against LA in 7 H2Hs: 28.1 ppg on a .638 FG%

High games of 31, 32, 35, and 53 points.


Overall, in those 86 games:

40 Point Games: 42

50 Point Games: 19

60 Point Games: 7

70 Point Games: 2

High game of 78 points.QUOTE]

Wilt would literally own the post-season scoring records, just as he does the regular season scoring records.

BTW, takeaway MJ's two OTs in his loss against Boston, and Wilt's 56 point game would rank second all-time in playoff scoring.

[Hoopz2332]

[swagga]

TLDR

in this thread I swear you sound just like Euroleague.

poster saying something true -> "do research idiot" CHECK
apologist saying too old, poster reasonably asking if too old -> "X would tell you that he'd dominate in his 40s and 50s but he was injured" CHECK
people talking about bad PO performance "when they met in the regular season" CHECK
wall of irrelevant stats related to the thread by a hypothetical of a hypothetical, source: quoting yourself CHECK



chamberlain dominating:

[CavaliersFTW]

Baylor scored 61 points in the finals... where it counts. Stop spewing bullshit, it's quite known wilt underperformed compared to his season average in the playoffs. Good numbers relative to the league, but not to someone that's considered top 10.

Baylor's 61, marginally edged out the record that season. The Record that had just been set by Wilt.

Wilt against the Lakers in the Finals that season would have set new Finals scoring records that would never been touched. Unfortunately, a Sam Jones buzzer beater beat the Warriors in 7 games that year. Wilt had scored 5 points in the final 40 seconds of the game to bring it to a tie before that shot.

Wilt's the most dominant scorer ever, when that is his role. Playoffs, or regular season. The only reason he doesn't have the volumes in the playoffs is because early in his career when it was his role to score, they played fewer playoff games than today.

Heck, Wilt's first playoff series of his career as a rookie he averaged over 37 points a game, who else has done that? That's the highest first-time-playoff series average for a player ever, let alone a rookie.



56 points 35 rebounds. This following up his own NBA record 53 point playoff record.

[CavaliersFTW]

in this thread I swear you sound just like Euroleague.

poster saying something true -> "do research idiot" CHECK
apologist saying too old, poster reasonably asking if too old -> "X would tell you that he'd dominate in his 40s and 50s but he was injured" CHECK
people talking about bad PO performance "when they met in the regular season" CHECK
wall of irrelevant stats related to the thread by a hypothetical of a hypothetical, source: quoting yourself CHECK



chamberlain dominating:

You picked an all star clip and a clip where Wilt crushed Bill Russell in the playoffs and won the NBA title. One of my uploads actually, so thanks for the free promotion.

Good job good effort.



42 points 37 rebounds, 16 points in the fourth quarter against Russell in the playoffs.

Wilt only played this role for 24 playoff games. That's why his playoff volumes all-time are so low. He then played 56 playoff games at a significantly lower shot-attempt rate but still high possession rate handing off and racking up assists. He then played another 80 playoff games under a defensive role in his 30's. The majority of his playoff games he played are in non-scoring roles. That's a result of the era and his teams, and how in his era the NBA added more playoff games late in his career. It's not a reflection of his abilities.

[swagga]

You picked an all star clip and a clip where Wilt crushed Bill Russell in the playoffs and won the NBA title. One of my uploads actually, so thanks for the free promotion.

Good job good effort.



42 points 37 rebounds, 16 points in the fourth quarter against Russell in the playoffs.

Wilt only played this role for 24 playoff games. That's why his playoff volumes all-time are so low. He then played 56 playoff games at a significantly lower shot-attempt rate but still high possession rate handing off and racking up assists. He then played another 80 playoff games under a defensive role in his 30's. The majority of his playoff games he played are in non-scoring roles. That's a result of the era and his teams, and how in his era the NBA added more playoff games late in his career. It's not a reflection of his abilities.

i knew you were going to take the bait son
just tried to cheer laz up, he looked depressed in this thread and he's better than the euroleague tier.

so bottom line is, wilt realized he wasn't going to win as a first option and finally played real basketball. good job good effort indeed you hipster