If LeBron doesn't win a ring the rest of his career.. does he have enough to be top 5

[sportjames23]

2/6 = top 5 now?

Bran stan logic, breh.

[warriorfan]

Not at all. BUT, in term's of career Winning Percentage...Magic is #1.

What about Finals winning percentage?

[sportjames23]

What exactly makes Magic a top 5 player? I'd take Duncan, and even Shaq over him.

[dubeta]

Well... he DID do better than 1-9 without Wade so that gives him an advantage

[outbreak]

Even if he wins a ring he doesn't become top 5

[LAZERUSS]

What about Finals winning percentage?

How about Finals% percentage as compared to his career. NINE Finals in 12 full seasons...or 75% of the time!

And BTW, he won FIVE of them, and in the most stacked era in NBA history.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Not at all. BUT, in term's of career Winning Percentage...Magic is #1.

Winning percentage isn't the only criteria that determines "greatest winner." How many (consecutive) 50 win seasons does Magic have? What's his finals winning percentage? Having the most stacked team in the weakest conference your entire career doesn't mean you're the greatest winner. Playing with another GOAT candidate doesn't mean you're the greatest winner either.

[Mr. Jabbar]

top 5

[Spurs5Rings2014]

How about Finals% percentage as compared to his career. NINE Finals in 12 full seasons...or 75% of the time!

And BTW, he won FIVE of them, and in the most stacked era in NBA history.

How was his conference in this stacked era? Where were all the stacked teams? How many title contending teams were in his conference for this era? How many made it to the finals?

[Rocketswin2013]

How about Finals% percentage as compared to his career. NINE Finals in 12 full seasons...or 75% of the time!

And BTW, he won FIVE of them, and in the most stacked era in NBA history.

[LAZERUSS]

Winning percentage isn't the only criteria that determines "greatest winner." How many (consecutive) 50 win seasons does Magic have? What's his finals winning percentage? Having the most stacked team in the weakest conference your entire career doesn't mean you're the greatest winner. Playing with another GOAT candidate doesn't mean you're the greatest winner either.

Magic was 11/11 in 50+ win full seasons, and in the one in which he was injured, his team went 26-11 with him or, on pace for 58 wins. Same with his comeback season in '95-96, when he led his team to a 22-10 record...or on pace for 56 wins.

As for another "GOAT"...true Kareem was still a great player in Magic's rookie season. After that...merely a near-great offensive player until his '86-87 season. Furthermore, Magic led the Lakers to records of 63-19 and 58-24 withOUT Kareem, including yet one more Finals.

BTW, in their ten seasons in the league together...their winning percentage in games in which one of them did not play...

Kareem was at .604...

Magic.... at .750.

And ONE MORE TIME...

What do you think of Bird then?

Here are the FACTS my friend.

Magic's teams beat 13 50+ win teams, and two of them won 60+ games.

Bird's Celtics beat 10 50+ win teams, and only one of them won 60+ games.


In the Finals, Magic's teams beat the 59-23 Sixers, the 58-24 Sixers, the 63-19 Celtics, the 59-23 Celtics, and the 54-28 Pistons.
Bird's Celtics beat the 40-42 Rockets, the 54-28 Lakers, and the 51-31 Rockets.



Furthermore, Magic's teams beat two 50+ win teams, and one 60+ win team AFTER Kareem retired.


Magic is THE greatest "winner" (Career W-L%) in NBA history. And BTW, his career W-L% was .740. In all of his games withOUT Kareem (including his 95-96 season)... .742.

Oh, and how about the records of the team's in which Magic's Lakers lost in the Finals...

Philly 65-17
Boston 62-20
Detroit 63-19
Chicago 61-21

Not too bad was it?

[nathanjizzle]

Lebrons exclusion from the top 5 GOAT has already been solidified. His next accomplishment will be solidifying his exclusion from the top 10.

[dubeta]

Lebrons exclusion from the top 5 GOAT has already been solidified. His next accomplishment will be solidifying his exclusion from the top 10.

By taking another dump on the Bulls??

[Asukal]

Not at all. BUT, in term's of career Winning Percentage...Magic is #1.

Suddenly, winning is important....

Of course there's the agenda of downplaying Kareem to prop up that other guy.

[LAZERUSS]

How was his conference in this stacked era? Where were all the stacked teams? How many title contending teams were in his conference for this era? How many made it to the finals?

First of all, he routinely beat 50+ win teams from his OWN conference, including the defending champion, and 56-26 Sonics in '80. And in his last full season, he led his 58-24 Lakers to a 4-2 series win over a 63-19 Blazer team.

In between, he was beating the best of the EAST, year-after-year.

He did considerably better against 50+ win teams than Bird did. AND, he did better against the EAST in the post-season, than what Bird did against the EAST in the post-season.