Lou Williams for 7 million is better than Lamarcus Aldridge for 20 million

[Ruler]

Gun rack? What are you going on about, you manic?

[Ruler]

kobe with duncans achilles would be averaging 27ppg like he did in 2013


its futile to critique a guy on 1 leg

And Duncan with Kobe's money would be taking up 25% of the cap space your point? God dude, get out of the ocean and spit out that salt.

[Human Error]

Lol by OP's logic Lou Williams is much better than Kobe ever was but dude is going to ignore it. Top class stupidity on its full display.

[West-Side]

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

[kennethgriffin]

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.

well if you discount:

- 1st team all nba's
- 1st team all defenses
- total allstar selections
- game winning shots
- head to head playoff wins
- 50+ win playoff teams beatin
- 30,40,50,60,70,80 point games
- career averages
- career totals
- career highs
- season highs
- playoff highs
- olympic medals
- international records
- player of the decade awards by tnt, dime, slam, s.i
- rings without another top 90 all time sidekick
- having the #1 and #2 all time playoff and finals averages for a 2nd option champion
- never losing a finals mvp to parker/kawhi types


then yeah... sure duncans 1 more mvp does the trick


but its about total careers i think


just looking at mvps and nash > oscar robertson/jerry west/dr J etc..

[Batz]

ITT: It's 2015 and people still feed the trolls.

[kennethgriffin]

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

no doubt. i proved that quite vividly the other day with this


all time highest 2nd leading scorers on a championship team:




Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( to my surprise Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )

[ISHGoat]

ill just leave this here:

lebron career points/shot: 1.38
kobe career points/shot: 1.24

[K Xerxes]

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.

well if you discount:

- 1st team all nba's
- 1st team all defenses
- total allstar selections
- game winning shots
- head to head playoff wins
- 50+ win playoff teams beatin
- 30,40,50,60,70,80 point games
- career averages
- career totals
- career highs
- season highs
- playoff highs
- olympic medals
- international records
- player of the decade awards by tnt, dime, slam, s.i
- rings without another top 90 all time sidekick
- having the #1 and #2 all time playoff and finals averages for a 2nd option champion
- never losing a finals mvp to parker/kawhi types


then yeah... sure duncans 1 more mvp does the trick


but its about total careers i think


just looking at mvps and nash > oscar robertson/jerry west/dr J etc..

More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.

[kennethgriffin]

Gun rack? What are you going on about, you manic?

[Ruler]

I like how you couldnt think of anything more to say to me since you know you lost.

I'll give you this: Lou is on a great contract. But he's not an all star or great player. He's basically a smaller, slightly more efficient Swaggy P. I don't know how you think you'd rather have that than a top 15 player in the league, 2nd or 3rd best PF in the league.

Admit it: you're pissed Kobe ruined your chances with LMA.

[kennethgriffin]

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.




More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.

and?


i just posted a list that shows 2 of kobes titles when he didnt win MVP blow duncans 2005 and 1999 FMVPs out of the water





its about individual performances during a title run. not whether or not you were barely the best player on a team from a lockout year or a finals in which manu ginobili could easly have been named FMVP too

[kennethgriffin]

I like how you couldnt think of anything more to say to me since you know you lost.

I'll give you this: Lou is on a great contract. But he's not an all star or great player. He's basically a smaller, slightly more efficient Swaggy P. I don't know how you think you'd rather have that than a top 15 player in the league, 2nd or 3rd best PF in the league.

Admit it: you're pissed Kobe ruined your chances with LMA.

1.17PPS

overrated




i didn't know about this until today


its the all time worst points per shot by any prime 20M+ player i've ever seen


efffff that





5fta's per 20 Fga's is some not giving a f*ck lazy sh*t too ... not for me

[West-Side]

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.




More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.

No, Kobe was more focal because he was the absolute leader. The last two championships; there were too many heroes for SA, that weren't named Tim Duncan. Kobe's 2000 contribution to LA was clearly greater than Duncan's last two and that was Kobe's least impressive.

I'm sorry but your whole "he only has more points" is absurd. Did you not see how Kobe played against Phoenix, Denver, and your own SA in 2008/2009 playoff runs? The man was brilliant; not only with his epic fade away, but his overall play. The way he set up his teammates; the way he made those big shots.

You're absolutely nuts if Timmy's last 2 titles were even remotely close to those Kobe years. I didn't even notice Duncan's presence much in the last title SA won. Guy has been a very solid role player for SA; for the last 3-4 years. I don't deny his leadership, however, which I know is very important to winning titles. His locker room presence is also key. I love both players, and I think both are legends. They will be remembered as the 10 best players to ever live.

Lets just leave it at that.

[ISHGoat]

In OP's defense, id take Lou at 7m over aldridge at 20m any day of the week.