Why is Bird so overrated on ISH? Comparison between Bird, LeBron and Kobe

[Fallen Angel]

I have him ranked #11 on my All-Time list.

He's remembered more by his rivalry with Magic and leading those 80s Celtic teams, his longevity just isn't comparable to other greats who've played 15+ seasons and 10+ seasons of elite ball.

[fragokota]

And?

There are at least 8 players with an argument over Bird IMO:

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt Russell
Shaq
Magic
Tim Duncan
LeBron
Kobe

There's no and, Bird is top 5 material.

[Fallen Angel]

People act like players already on Top 10 lists can never ever be removed from those lists. That's so stupid.

Julius Erving used to be Top 10, but in most cases he isn't even in the Top 15.

Get with the times, nobody is locked into the Top 10.

[Fallen Angel]

Lebron is undoubtedly the greatest SF in NBA History, so if people are trying to argue that Lebron is in the range of Top 8 to 10 on the All-Time list then Bird has to be below him.

[Soundwave]

Actually 3 championships as the no.1 option and 3 MVPs in basically only a 10-11 year career is fairly impressive.

Also career averages of 24/10/6 is pretty impressive too.

LeBron will probably drop to 25/6 apg/6 rpg as he gets older.

[Mirror]

That is a terrible set up by the OP. Say Bird is overrated, show giant stats spread apart making it difficult to compare directly and not stating directly why he believes Bird is overrated.

[Fallen Angel]

Tim Duncan, who I have #5, has 5 championships and 2 MVPs.
Lebron, who I have #10, has 2 championships and 4 MVPs.

They've surpassed Bird, I know it's a hard pill to swallow but it's true.

[GIF REACTION]

Actually 3 championships as the no.1 option and 3 MVPs in basically only a 10-11 year career is fairly impressive.

Also career averages of 24/10/6 is pretty impressive too.

LeBron will probably drop to 25/6 apg/6 rpg as he gets older.

Bird played more minutes, against weaker team defenses, and minimal three so inflated rebounds.

[dgaras]

little black/hispanic kids on ish mad that a white guy is one of the best ever

your hate and racism will never change that

[Fallen Angel]

Why can't ISH ever have educational and formal discussions.

Everything has to be Bran, rape jokes, dick jokes, race jokes, and ring jokes. Great thing god has given us RealGM's Player Comparison subforum.

[Beastmode88]

People don't realize that stats in the 80's and some of the 90's were inflated when compared to today.

For goodness sake Adrian Dantley was a 30ppg scorer on 60%... Kiki Vanderwigh averaged high 20's and he was barely elite

Scoring 30 points per game is a lot harder today

Durant and harden are arguably the game's top scorers. 1/3 of their pts if not more come from FTA. Theres no physciality like there was back then, a touch foul gets u to the line now. Joke

[Young X]

He was decent but Kareem was always The Lakers most consistent post scoring threat. Magic could score of course but for his size and how much he handled the ball you would expect more volume , but I suppose it's deflated because of his GOAT assisting.

Magic wasn't just a "decent" post up player, he's one of, if not THE best post up guards in NBA history.

[HOoopCityJones]

Magic wasn't just a "decent" post up player, he's one of, if not THE best post up guards in NBA history.

At 6'8 , 200 pounds he better damn well be. But how many guards naturally play from the post anyway? Kareem was better, Magic was decent. Nothing I said was wrong.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Magic wasn't just a "decent" post up player, he's one of, if not THE best post up guards in NBA history.

If you are talking about point guards, that title goes to Mark Jackson.

[LBJMVP]

imagine if there was a message board we could read that talked about magic and bird. im sure it would be the same as it was today and people would be hating on them and picking out every flaw in their game.

but there wasn't so there is no record of fans nitpicking at there games like there was today.