any better leader of the modern era than scottie pippen?

[imdaman99]

New day, different branstan melting down. Nothing changes on here.

[TheMan]

Because acquiring Rodman had nothing to do with that...gotcha. Idiot.

Sure he did, every good player adds something to a championship team, it's a team game after all, but if you try to argue that he was MORE important to the Bulls than MJ, then you sir, are full of shit.

[mehyaM24]

Wade won a championship and finals MVP for the Heat without Bron.

Pippen won a first round series without Jordan... then when Jordan comes back they win 72 games and go on another 3-peat.

These are facts.



A year after Jordan at 35 carried brokeback Pippen to another ring, Scottie teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in Houston. How'd that go?

More of that legendary leadership

acquiring rodman helped....a lot

and making the playoffs with washed up greats? barkley with a foot outside the door, awaiting retirement? reach for the sky, doda.

pippen had more success without jordan than vice versa. another indisputable fact that you have yet to address, bud.

[K Xerxes]

A great Silvio to Jordan's Tony. But like Sil said, some guys are made to play the number 2, just not fit for the top dog role.

[TheMan]

i'm not seeing the parallels here. but alright?



and yet, only a 1-9 record to show for it? i said it another thread, and i'll say it again here: nobody in the top 10 has had a worse beginning to their career, in the playoffs, than jordan. without another superstar? nope - you cannot name one.

lebron at 21, younger than jordan who was swept in 86 & 87, took his team to the finals while beating the pistons - a team that was heavily favored against him.

you jordan fans don't want to talk about facts though. just selective factoids that allows you to sweep a sack of jordan's shit under the rug.

Lol, those Pistons were far from their best version, OTOH, the 86 Celtics are considered the GOAT team by most, GTFOH troll. Big difference in level of competition

[3ball]

His leadership was actually felt most keenly on the Blazers...

This is a troll right?... It's a good one..

You're totally right - Pippen's stint with Blazers was marked by ANOTHER historic choke - his Blazers lost a 15 point fourth quarter lead in Game 7 of 2000 WCF, culminating with Pippen getting his ankles shattered into a million pieces by a goat subtle crossover by Kobe (shown above without defenders for maximum visibility of Pippen's ankle injury)

Pippen just can't get out of the way from epic chokes (see Game 3 of 1994 2nd Round, Game 7 of 1990 ECF, Game 5 & 6 of 1998 Finals, and the ENTIRE 1996 Finals).

[mehyaM24]

Lol, those Pistons were far from their best version, OTOH, the 86 Celtics are considered the GOAT team by most, GTFOH troll. Big difference in level of competition

how about in 87? ricky pierce's bucks took them to 7 games....the bulls were 4-2 against them in the rs, and yet were swept in the playoffs.

whats your next excuse? jordan wasn't wearing his unc undershorts?

[Smoke117]

They went on a 3-peat without Rodman

Yeah...they had Horace Grant for the first one...no shit.

[Smoke117]

Sure he did, every good player adds something to a championship team, it's a team game after all, but if you try to argue that he was MORE important to the Bulls than MJ, then you sir, are full of shit.

When did I exactly do that? This clown is saying that MJ came back and they won 72 games and the facts are as simple as that. There is no mention that they replaced Grant with Rodman by him...just that MJ came back...they won 72 games. Their front court was weak af after Grant left. They weren't going to win anything with Kukoc (who was atrocious defensively) and a bunch of stiff white guys at PF and Center.

The Bulls would have never won 72 games anyway if not for expansion. I don't think anyone can deny that. The talent pool was so thinned out in the mid to late 90s.

[DonDadda59]

pippen had more success without jordan than vice versa. another indisputable fact that you have yet to address, bud.

Jordan only had 2 seasons without Pippen on the Bulls and joined a 17 win Wizards team at 38.

Pip on the other hand left the Bulls following a 6th coattail ring to join up with Hakeem and Barkley (2 seasons removed from a WCF berth with Clyde in his place) and then promptly bailed on them while throwing his teammate under the bus in public (leadership ). He then became a 4th, sometimes 5th option on a Blazers team that was in the WCF the season before he got there.

Yet no one ever brings up the fact that at 38-40 Jordan was still an all star 20/5/5 caliber player while Pip actually went back to Chicago as a 6 PPG scrub at the same age. Chicago went 23-59 that season.

I miss anything there?

[mehyaM24]

good call on his stint with the blazers, smoke.

here are some more nice tidbits:

"He attacked the basket at every opportunity," teammate Greg Anthony said. "When it wasn't there, we just made sure we got into a decent set offensively, and he was everywhere on defense, so his energy as our leader is going to be paramount to our success."

Pippen knows his teammates look to him to set the tempo."

"He's our veteran player, he's our leader and we just tried to follow suit behind him," backup guard Bonzi Wells said. "He's been there. We just try to follow his lead. He just said we've got to play hard, we've got to be intense out there. We're the only people that are rooting for each other in this gym.

"We've got to stay together, and if we stay together, good things will happen."

"As a coach, you loved him," said Mike Dunleavy, Portland's coach at the time. "He was the glue. The pro. And he was the guy who made the pass that led to the assist, the guy that made the deflection that led to the steal, and the guy who made the rebound that led to the fast break."

^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf, and were minutes away from the finals. once again, pippen showing that he had MORE SUCCESS without than jordan than vice versa.

[mehyaM24]

Jordan only had 2 seasons without Pippen on the Bulls and joined a 17 win Wizards team at 38.

so in 4 seasons without pippen, he either didn't make the playoffs or was one-and-done. otoh, pippen without jordan not only made the playoffs, while having more than 1 win to show for it, but also advanced to the semi & conference finals - and was minutes away from another finals appearance.

that is sheer, unabated greatness.

[DonDadda59]

^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf

As they did the season before Pip got there (when he went to team up with Hakeem and Barkley).

Blazers in '98-'99: 35-15 (57 win pace.... lost in the WCF)
Blazers in '99-'00: 59-23 (lost in the WCF)

Negligible impact.

Meanwhile Jordan was drafted by a 27 win team and at 38 after being retired for 3 years played for a 17 win team literally for free.

The LeBron easiest road possible route vs taking on a challenge.

[TheMan]

good call on his stint with the blazers, smoke.

here are some more nice tidbits:







^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf, and were minutes away from the finals. once again, pippen showing that he had MORE SUCCESS without than jordan than vice versa.

Exactly how many titles did Pippen win without MJ for all the great success he had on those stacked teams again?

Ah, I'm done with you and your terrible troll attempts. ****ing LeBeta stans at it again after Bran collecting yet another L and here these fggots are trying to desperately throw crap against the wall to see if anything sticks

[mehyaM24]

lockout seasons are asterisk ones. too many injuries during the 99 season to really make that kind of leap.

wwdk- pippen led the blazers & bulls farther in the playoffs without jordan, than jordan did with the bulls without pippen.

this is absolutely indisputable - as i've repeated time & time again