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    Default Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

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    James is more like a train then a cheetah in movement.. his first 2 steps aren't very powerful so this hurt him on iso's and the ability to blow pass players from standstill position.

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    Lebron James is probably one of the fastest player in the league when he's at full stride in top speed, but his acceleration or first step is pedestrian at best.

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    Why don't sportcasters keep it real about Lebron?

    I have watched ball my life entire life...I get in tons of arguments over this and I'm just trying to find out how many fellow NTers REALLY be watching the game.

    Lebron James has one of the weakest first steps I've ever seen, and he has very little pure scoring instincts. (IMHO Danny Granger has the worse first step in NBA history). Bron is not a pass/team oriented player solely becaue of his nature...he's that way because he secretly knows his weakness. I believe the worse thing you can tell a perimeter player is that they don't have a first step. smiley: laugh

    But I'm sorry. It's the truth. I've never seen a star player get the type of recognition he does with having such an obvious weakness that seems to go unnoticed in popular programming. For once I wish a guy like JVG would say..."It's obvious that Lebron really can't beat his man one on one." Just once! Sometimes I wanna email Skip Bayless just to show this dude the light so he can have more fire power.

    Dude literally can't score in the halfcourt without using a 'pick' 95% of the time and that's why when he drives in the halfcourt his shot looks soooooo ugly. Dude be praying for the defender to latch on where he can get a foul. And I KNOW coach Spolestra knows this because more and more in critical situations he sending Lebron towards a pick hoping for a switch to a much taller and slower defender. smiley: nerdsmiley: nerd A friend of mine is a big Lebron fan and not until recently did he really start paying attention to this dude's true lack of halfcourt scoring and first step. "Dude scores over 30 points a game!" he would say...Then I told him the next two Heat games, we'll make a bet and count how many times in the halfcourt Bron scores by seriously breaking down his own man versus getting points from the line, in the fastbreak, putbacks, or low percentage bail out fall back jumpers. Like I said, dude became a believer after just two games and now says he can't even look at LeBron the same way. We watched yesterday's game at a bar and dude had the smiley: ohwell look on for nearly the entire game smiley: roll And they were winning! Dude's disgusted smiley: laugh

    Before the stonefaces and comments about how basketball is a team game and what not...I will say that for the most part, I agree. I am not a Lebron hater, but the reason Lebron is and will never be the true definition of a clutch player is because of this obvious weakness. If Lebron doesn't seriously get in the gym and create a post game, it's only going to get worse. TMac II (Another player who people never realized needed picks to get by his man)

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    A lot of observers conflate top speed and first step.

    Lebron is probably one of the fastest player in the league when he's at full stride in top speed, but his acceleration or first step is pedestrian at best. This kid needed a pick and roll as soon as he got into the league because he never had the blow by first step of a guy like Kobe.

    a lot of guys have both attributes. but u also have guys on opposite end of spectrum like Jeremy Lin, who has great acceleration from standstill but definitely below average in speed.

    This is the difference between quickness and raw speed. You can spot the difference pretty easily.

    Quickness/elite first step:



    Power/speed:


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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    You are trying way to hard to be 3ball.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Everyone knows this you ****

    Once he gets going he is one of the fastest players ever though.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Young Lebron use to always blow past defenders with his 1st step

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    How many people who are 6'8 270 have quick first step. Kyrie is quicker because he is much smaller.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleA
    How many people who are 6'8 270 have quick first step. Kyrie is quicker because he is much smaller.
    There's fat f*cks out there with quick 1st steps. I've seen the slowest unathletic old guys beat people with their first step consistently.

    1st step is different than speed as noted by OP.

    A good NBA example of a big guy with quick 1st step is Shaq. He used to beat players smaller than him with his first step. Zack Randolph destroys Griffin with quick 1 step moves, I remember Chris Gatling would beat people with quick moves and first steps as well.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleA
    How many people who are 6'8 270 have quick first step. Kyrie is quicker because he is much smaller.
    melo has a quick first step

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Quote Originally Posted by STATUTORY
    melo has a quick first step
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psXgVL8iapo&t=2m0s

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Yeah lebron does not have a great first step. But other stars had flawed athleticism too. Kobe had a poorer vertical than other super athletic stars, Kevin durant is weak as shit, Westbrook has no change of pace so he bricks layups etc. Dwight Howard no fluidity. Melo worst flaw is that he sorta sucks at finishing layups for some reason. He would be 30 point scorer if he could finish a damn layup.
    Last edited by TripleA; 08-01-2015 at 09:50 AM.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    How quick is a guy his size first step suppose to be...

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    it's quick enough to get the job done against all nba defenders on most nights...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7IdeIgQF_8

    but when you're going up up against an all 1st team defender / former all-star similarly as athletic as you:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWZC0MV9zIo
    that's not most nights.

    LeBron did settle for a lot of awkward jumpers tho and had defensive lapses and I'm sure he's spent a good hard month now reflecting on his various mistakes so next time he has to singlehandedly win a championship he can have a literally perfect game for all your haters..


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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    It really affects his effectiveness imo I don't know whether he'll make it at NBA level

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    LeBron has weaknesses? Nah bro, he's a flawless athlete and player.

    How many times are you going to make this thread detailing things we've already known for a while. I sware this is the 12th time I've seen this thread regurgitated from you.

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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron23
    You are trying way to hard to be 3ball.


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    Default Re: Multiple people confirm Lebron does not have a quick first step

    yeah lebron gets past people because he keeps picking up momentum and going faster and then his shoulders do the work of clearing space around crowds. other than that he's just slashing into gaps when the defender isn't paying attention. it's not that often he tries to break anybody down out of triple threat or goes as soon as he gets the ball.

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